IS CONTROL OF HIRE-FOR-PAY WORK "CENSORSHIP?"

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IS CONTROL OF HIRE-FOR-PAY WORK "CENSORSHIP?"


[+] serious ballot by Cathexis
created Fri Jul 23, 04

Whoopi Goldberg was canned by SlimFast for some crude political statements. Linda Ronstadt was escorted from the Aladdin Casino for dedicating a song to Michael Moore.

Do these kinds of actions constitute a form of censorship or are they merely a matter of a Business looking out for its interests?

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COMMENTS:
Its a business decision, In most businesses for example, sales people never do AR, why put yourself at odds with your customer and give them a reason not to buy from you.
by ABC on Fri Jul 23, 04 12:10pm [+]

But doesn't this mean that businesses can effectively control what people say in public? Who could speak out against anything, knowing they could be fired?
by Cathexis on Fri Jul 23, 04 12:14pm [+]

Yes I suppose, but a celebrity has the media's ear that is why they hired them, not like the average citizen who can say whatever they want and no one knows. As an employee I cannot say anything to my customers that would hurt my employer, which would also hurt me, this is no different except they can afford to fired.
by ABC on Fri Jul 23, 04 12:33pm [+]

If a job service is being fulfilled,what one says is isnt on the pay roll,the service performed is.You dont own someones soul just because you pay them.
by Qui_Qui on Fri Jul 23, 04 12:36pm [+]

You are correct Qui, but would you hire micheal jackson to represent your company, he promotes sleeping with children on his own time.
by ABC on Fri Jul 23, 04 12:46pm [+]

Businesses have the right to fire "spokes" people who they feel damage the reputation of the company.Imagine if you owned a major car company and you hired Jeff Gordon to promote your product.The next day you find out that Gordon was claiming that the American people were the cause of the Iraq war because they bought gas gussling cars.Wouldn't you fire him?
by Corrupt on Fri Jul 23, 04 2:45pm [+]

What about people who aren't spokepersons? Should they be exempt? Or should Starbucks be entitled to can a Latte' server for publicly protesting something similar?
by Cathexis on Fri Jul 23, 04 5:16pm [+]

Cathexis:
People who are not spokespeople should be exempt.If you do not represent the company and cannot hurt the company's reputation with your actions then you should be able to say whatever you want.It's a free country is it not?
by Corrupt on Fri Jul 23, 04 5:47pm [+]

Corrupt: Freedom has different shades and meanings. For example, what if a person was a programmer for IBM and got exposure on National TV ... maybe at a political rally ... maybe as a member of some hate group ... whatever, teh company doesn't like the association: John Doe, a programmer at IBM ... on the evening news. Can they fire him?
by Cathexis on Fri Jul 23, 04 8:35pm [+]

Cathexis:
I highly doubt the company can fire him just because of his associations with certain groups.What an employee does on his or her own time is their bussiness and their bussiness alone.The arguement against the employee is far to weak to even consider.How can the actions of one Joe Doe employee hurt an international corporation like IBM?Stockholders don't care about what some nobody employee does when he or she is not at work.So I am almost certain that the company could not fire him.
by Corrupt on Sat Jul 24, 04 1:31am [+]

sniff sniff... DO I smell a Lawsuit?
by Qui_Qui on Sat Jul 24, 04 8:14am [+]

Would they? Questionable. Could they? Most assuredly ... most US states are Right-to-Work states ... this means a person can be fired for any reason. Or no reason. The only reasons they can't be fired are if they are clearly prohibited (discriminatory).

It all depends upon the subjective feelings of the top management and/or HR department.
by Cathexis on Sat Jul 24, 04 8:30am [+]

Cathexis:
What if the guy belongs to a union?Do you really think that a company is going to go throught all the head aces of a legal fight with a union just to get rid of some employee?Workers have more rights in this country than you think my friend.
by Corrupt on Sat Jul 24, 04 12:21pm [+]

C: Good point ... that may be enough to save him. However, the overall percentage of wage and salary workers who are union members dropped to 12.9 percent last year, down from 13.3 percent in 2002 and 20.1 percent 20 years ago. The portion of workers represented by unions fell from 14.5 percent to 14.3 percent from 2002 to 2003, with almost all of this decline occurring in the private sector.

Unions are declining as a force, leaving the majority of employees unprotected.
by Cathexis on Sat Jul 24, 04 7:39pm [+]

censorship just like in the old soviet state !
by sonnyboy on Fri Jan 14, 05 5:53pm [+]

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