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Who cares, stop being such a downer lol, perk up, it was 60 yrs ago.
The choice at the time was to continure with conventional weapons with the loss of thousands of American lives, or use the A Bomb and end the war, thereby SAVING thousands of American Lives.
The RIGHT choice was made!
So American lives are worth more than Japanese ya?
Anyway my point is not whether it was right to use it then. Its whether America have the right to lecture other countries on THEIR right to use them NOWADYAS,considering their history?
Well, no they're not, doctor(american lives wort more than japs.) But, if you're in a war, would u rather have more of them or u dead?
Hypocrisy is America's middle name...
I think the nukes dropped on Japan could've been avoided, but we have gained insight from our mistake.
btw
An American life is more valuable than a Japanese life or any other nation. In times of war
you have to ignore the enemies humanity.
Absolutely right Guest_96c30. Japan was trying to surrender. The bombs were dropped to impress the Russians who were considering invading Japan. It was nothing to do with Japan's surrender.
In January 1945 - MacArthur forwarded to the President a Japanese offer to surrender which was exactly what was accepted 7 months later. Had it been accepted when first offered, there would have been no heavy loss of life on Iwo Jima (over 26,033 Americans killed or wounded, approximately 21,000 Japanese killed) and Okinawa (over 39,000 U.S. dead and wounded, 109,000 Japanese dead), no fire bombing of Japanese cities by B-29 bombers (it is estimated that the dropping of 1,700 tons of incendiary explosives on Japanese cities during March 9th-10th alone killed over 80,000 civilians and destroyed 260,000 buildings), and no use of the atomic bomb (200,000 killed).
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy,
Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II
www . geocities . com / Pentagon / 6315 / truman.html
What I don't understand about my country is that they(government)seem to think they are the center of the world.every other nation must revolve around U.S.That is not right.I agree.But I do agree that we must protect Israel.Nuke North Korea.Thanx.
usa is not only country to use wmd on a nations,
isnt it ironic how stupid people can be, saying usa was not threatend by invasion, pearl harbor, 911, german subs off east coast during ww2, ussr during cold war, if you think ussr would not have invaded western europe or usa if they thought they could , you are wrong. and i think you meant to say only country to use nukes, many countries used wmd, even jolly old england .
Isnt it ironic how STUPID some people can be when they are accusing OTHERS of being stupid lol.
Pretty much all of that comments refers to ANOTHER ballot that has nothing to do with this moron.
And read the description i put at the beginning to see what i meant retard.
" Referring specifically to nuclear weapons the "real" WMDS'S "
Get it dickface?
Mike 1952
It gona be game over for him soon ..
China suffered 8,000,000 civilian casualties during its war with Japan, 1937-45. The Japanese did not have "camps" like the Germans, they just worked the native populations of Asia to death. It is such a sad statement that the education system you were a part of did not provide you with a balanced overview of WW 2. Cultures that forget their history are cursed to repeat it, with tragic consequences
japan's invasion of china in 1936 as the true beginning of WW2. The chinese website www.xanga.com lists between 10 to 20 millon deaths caused by the Japanese invaders
chinese have always wanted japanese to apologize, but japanese never admitt it.!!!
It is so sad.....
Chinese died so much.
They just got shot or killed when ever appeared in front of them
Women got rapped, babies pulled out of women in pregrancy, men killed in toture, babies crushed in mills, and more cruel ways...
everybody should know about this
230,000 people who ultimately died from the blast, a crowd of thousands including survivors, children and dignitaries gathered to pray at Hiroshima's Peace Park, close to where the bomb was dropped.
The Allies utilized Atomic weapons to bring Japan to her knees. As an American, how hard would you fight an enemy if they were invading our nation? I mean literally on the soil of our 50 states? Then imagine how hard EVERY Japanese citizen, man, woman AND child, would be trying to kill OUR men, as we invade their nation.
Casualties for our men were expected to be 100,000 during Operation OLYMPIC, the Invasion of Kyushu, Nov. 1, 1945. Why not use a weapon that would save American lives? Mr. Truman did, & the buck stopped there.
Tensions were starting to build up in Europe between Soviet Union and its western allies. Since USSR had an overwhelming numerical superiority there, a show of force was needed to convince Stalin to "behave". Besides, the Russians were preparing for an invasion of Japan.
I think these considerations were at least as valid back then as saving American lives.
the american estimates were more like 1 million men for the invasion of the japanese islands and you must remember that at this late stage of the war the japanese had started using kamikaze pilots, so were probably quite prepared to use the same sort of tactics for ground troops.
the allies used 2 bombs because they had to prove that they were capable of producing as many as necessary.
everyone should agree that the resulting casualties were horrific but japan's culture did not accept failure as an option and who knows how long the war would have continued if the atom bomb had not been used.
According to some sources, Japan had a military force of over 9 million soldiers. Through battles like Midway, Okinawa, Iwo Jima, Guadacanal, and other "island-hopping" battles, 1.5 million soldiers either were killed or wounded enough so they couldn't fight. That meant that if Operation Olympic (the invasion of the main island of Japan) were to occur we would have to fight every soldier we had defeated before four times over! Even if we hadn't of dropped the atomic bomb, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would still have been targets for attack. This is because Hiroshima was a large industrial city that contained the 2nd Japanese Army Headquarters, which was in charge of all the defense systems in Southern Japan; Hiroshima also had communication centers for armies, storage points, and troop assemblies. Small industial plants were also in the outskirts of the city. As for Nagasaki, it was the largest fully operational sea port in Southern Japan, which produced ships, equipment, and relief supplies. There is much other information that can be explained about the reality of dropping the bomb on Japan and this was one 'chunk' of information
However, all things considered, please remember that WWII was a brutal war, it was a long war, it was a war in which armies of all sides freely bombed civilian populations. Without condoning the killing of civilians, please remember that the cities bombed were NOT Tokyo or Osaka; the decision to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki shows at least SOME deference for human life within the larger context of the brutality of WWII.
either you people are too young and did not live through communist eastern europe and ussr, or you are just ignorant. because ussr distroyed the economy of eastern europe, as well as the people will. It was terrable, and if you think, minus usa and threats of nukes, that stalin would not have entered western germany and eventually western europe, you are so wrong, but go ahead, think what you want, I know ussr was main force to enter germany, I never denied that, but ussr would have been a great threat to western europe, you can continue bashing america, guess thats how you get your thrills these days and not look at the big picture.
If we are too young you are too old. You shouldnt be allowed on the internet you greasy fingered ,child PORN watching pathetic excuse for a dirty OLD man with no family or friends.
52 year old dirty pervert. And you still have the mind of a CHILD, spending too much time in Kiddies playgrounds i would imagine.
When the mail order bride due by the way?
that was really mature doc, say what you want about me, still does not change the facts above, you people are so full of hate, read your history, find out the real facts
ok. But when you rate me 5 times in a row (all -5 negative) for no reason at all it suggests to me you are a complete cock to be honest. We are waaaaayyy past the point of actually talking about the ballots anymore. LCD is working on it now i think, and if he doesnt im going to rape your karma big time, trust me. You need to be taught a lesson.
Mike1952 is something else.Japan was forced to attack Pearl Harbor.If you think you know something about ww2,I'm sure you've heard of ABCD block.And yes,Germans killed shit loads of Jews and Balcans and Japanese killed 3 million Chinese civilians.But look at them now.Their countries are being overturnrd by Balcans and Chinese.And you better not tell me U.S nuked Japan because of what they did to Chinese.It was a pure experiment.It was just a matter of time for Japan to surrender at that point.Draw is right.You need a mailorder bride from China or maybe Phillipines(Japan fucked them up pretty bad too,didn't they.maybe that is why those 3rd world starving scums are trying to go to Japan at any cost?)
Balcans? Blakans?
i dont know how you can say russia won the cold war, they lost their empire, their warsaw pact countries are now in nato, countries they used to claim as ussr are now independent
get some creditable research,no we did not bomb for china, but millions of chinese were saved because of it, if you read what i wrote in the comment you would know that is the truth, if you want to continue with the post cold war propaganda that is going around, go right ahead, japan was not ready to surrender, the mind set of japanese in ww2 was that the emporer was god and they would fight until the last man was dead, that is the fact of japan at that time. yes if it saved american troops lives to use the bomb , thats what had to happen, if germany had the bomb first doubt if you would even be alive because hitler would have used it . I really don't understand how you people think you can rewrite history, go talk to someone from china who was around in ww2, nuke bomb was not an experiment, and again japan was not ready to surrender, would you please go away now, i can't handle you ignorant people who have no clue .
abcd block still does not prove what you are saying
A possibility that an attack on Russia at this time can be undertaken with a reasonable chance of non‑military intervention by the United States; and that even the British might not resort to active military action in support of Russia in the Pacific, due to the fact that both the Americans and British are preoccupied in Europe, and that neither power has any genuine desire to ever see the state of the USSR emerge sufficiently strong to again plague the democratic states with the sinister ideals of communism.
(f) To open communications with Germany for the purpose of closer coordination and supply, in case it becomes necessary to continue the war against other Pacific powers.
(g) To achieve a spectacular victory which is now greatly needed to revive the morale of the people and prepare them for future efforts toward the south.
2. Pressure French Indo‑China and Thailand.Pressure on French Indo-China and Thailand for concessions of military, naval, or air bases, and guarantees of economic cooperation, is entirely to be expected, and this may either precede or follow, or occur simultaneously with an attack on Russia, in order to insure security in the south while her primary objective in the north is being achieved; and to afford her more and better strategic bases from which she can operate against Chungking's lines of communication, and/or American and British lines of communications in case it becomes necessary to defend herself against either or both of these powers. Also, to secure additional raw materials, food, etc.
3. Attack on British Possessions in the Far East.Following the principle of defeating one opponent at a timefamous with her Axis partner, Hitleris believed that Japan, if faced with certain British military resistance to her plans, will unhesitatingly attack the British; and do so without a simultaneous attack on American possession, because of no known binding agreement between the British and Americans for joint military action against Japan, and that the American public is not yet fully prepared to support such action. However, it must be evident to the Japanese that in case of such an attack on the British, they would most certainly have to fight the United States within a relatively short time.
4. Simultaneous Attack on the ABCD Powers.While a simultaneous attack on the ABCD powers would violate the principle mentioned above, it cannot be ruled out as a possibility for the reason that if Japan considers war with the United States to be inevitable as a result of her actions against Russia, it is reasonable to believe that she may decide to strike before our naval program is completed.
An attack on the United States could not be undertaken without almost certain involvement of the entire ABCD block, hence there remains the possibility that Japan may strike at the most opportune time, and at whatever points might gain for her the most strategic, tactical, or economical advantages over her opponents.
this is all a theary,
Never said Russia won the Cold War. I think they lost. As for Guest_80c99 that's American_Empire aka Jack_of_Hearts aka Lance_wins_Again aka Capitain_Comment aka anyone who uses his white trash vocabulary.
oh sorry, I must have misuderstood what he said
by USMC on Tue Aug 24, 04 8:42pm
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America is not the only country to use WMD's, its the only one to use nuclear weapons. WMD's include chemical and biological weapons. Both sides of WWI used chemical weapons and Iraq used them in the Iraq-Iran war and against the Kurds.
they don't care about that cdubatrc , if usa was not involved they could care less who kills who
the abcd plan was just a conspiracy theary, no one including japan ever admitted to that being the case. you people will be absolutely anything anyone writes if it makes usa look bad, same with the no man on the moon conspiracy. there is no proof of the abcd plan, in germany, uk, usa russia and japan, no proof at all.
and the same goes to heterics story about the surrender,
So, US Fleet Admiral William D. Leahy, Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during World War II is a 'conspiracy freak'?
"It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were almost defeated and ready to surrender...in being the first to use it, we...adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages."
www . geocities . com / Pentagon / 6315 / truman.html
Here's another one. The attack on Pearl Harbour wasn't 'unprovoked' either, it was a surprise attack it was very provoked by an economic blockade and other hostile tactics by the US government.
www . cwporter . com / japanwas.htm
Japanese forces did commit terrible atrocities, that's undeniable. I'm not an apologist for the Japanese, but wartime and post-war propaganda completely distorted the facts. Some believe that the US government was aware of the attacks but allowed the Japanese to carry out the attack (after first removing the vital aircraft carriers) in order to solicit US public opinion in favour of a war. There's much more to history than the official versions.
I don't give a toss, I'm not Japanese, but facts are facts, or at least they're arguable. I'm not being 'anti-American' either. I'm British, but I think the British bomber raids on Dresden and other civilian targets were war crimes. That doesn't make the British people scum or even responsible anymore than you're responsible for the sadistic morons in Iraq who were torturing prisoners for 'fun'.
Here's your 'conspiracy freak'
www. history. navy.mil / photos / pers-us / uspers-l / wd-leahy.htm
I don't think a government site would admit this, it's not the official version of events. This isn't my theory and I don't know it to be a fact, though I'd always wondered why they incinerated two cities when a single atomic bomb dropped on an unpopulated area of Japan or a military target would have been plenty to scare the Japanese into surrendering. However, the Soviets were poised to enter the war against Japan and possibly invade. Truman hated Stalin and, unlike Japan, he had something to fear from the Soviet Union, he certainly didn't want the Russians in Japan.
Here's some 'unbiased' background information from the CIA
www . cia . gov /csi /monograph /4253605299 /csi9810001 .html
Guest_19813
Thank you for reiterating that. I mentioned it earlier but no_one listened.
Lets be honest America did not NEED to drop two bombs, and didnt NEED to drop them on CIVILIAN populations.
i theorise..
America knew that the rest of the world would eventually have nuclear weapons as well and wanted to see the effect a bomb would have on a civilian population, research in case it happened to them in future. It was an experiment.
The usage of TWO bombs was more about scare tactics i think its generally agreed.
YES GUEST, THAT WAS THE POINT, NONE OF THE COUNTRIES INVOLVED HELD BACK ON BOMBING CILVILIANS AND CITIES, AS JAPAN DID NOT HOLD BACK ON BOMBING AND KILLING MILLIONS OF CHINESE,READ THE WHOLE STORY AND STOP MAKING IT SOUND LIKE ONLY ONE COUNTRY DROPPED CONVENTIONAL BOMBS ON CILVILIANS
all things considered, please remember that WWII was a brutal war, it was a long war, it was a war in which armies of all sides freely bombed civilian populations
It's ironic usa only country with most of it's instructured intact that it was able to build the bomb with help of germans who defected and brits, too bad it could not have been built in uk and too bad uk was not the one to use it on germany instead of us on japan, then maybe you asshole would get off our back and blaming us for every thing that goes wrong on this planet. Because the truth is, if not for the british and german scien. the bomb may have not been developed. as an american I have no problem not taking credit for that.
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The crux of the irony mentioned in the ballot description is not the fact that america USED W.M.D.S but that they now have the cheek to use the search for W.M.D'S as an excuse to invade Iraq. What moral highground do America imagine they have in this issue?
The Guv'mint wants to KEEP the ability to destroy entire populations to itself...
This is just stupid. You better learn your history before posting a ballot like this. You just look ignorant.
Thats weird, cos you sound EXTREMELY ignorant!
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