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Their parents have money.
I remember when theyouth used to be ANGRY, they seem so accepting nowadays...
Amen Bubba! They're afraid if they don't tow the party line (Daddy Warbucks) they'll have their Nintendo taken away along with their Mercedes. MTV has done lasting damage to todays youth, Hamster.
Very early on, I adopted the NeoConservative beliefs of my parents, as did my siblings. And we were from a lower-middle Socioeconomic background.
It wasn't until I was in my (late) 30s that I started questioning what I had always 'known.'
I'd hazard that too few that grow up in such households ever think to question anything they already 'know.'
Since the majority of teens and early twenty year olds tend to lean overwhelmingly to the left, wouldn't the young conservatives be the ones 'fighting the status quo' and the young democrats be the mindless, brainwashed drones merely going along with the crowd?
voting either way is not much of a choice
by ABC on Fri Oct 08, 04 5:13pm
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As the Status Quo is the Bush Administration, what exactly would a young conservative be fighting against?
I think that a dose of reality is needed for some young people...
...they need to live a little and have the ideas they were indoctrinated with, put to the test.
Herzog is a bit rich calling democrats brainwashed drones, when he still doesnt admit any wrong doing by Bush. over Iraq.
The lights are on but noone is at home methinks!
This ballot doesn't do much for representing all y'all old people! ;)
You thinks correctly Steel...
We used to be young once!
Age and experience forms my views, when I was a teen, I thought I knew everything, guess what... I didnt.
Somebody (can't remember whom or the quote verbatim) said "youth is wasted on the young" with that said...where's my geritol?
there has been a massive increase in young person on young person crime, and the left are doing fuck all about it, so many youngsters are turning to the conservatives.
Hey Cheeky, it was, George Bernard Shaw, he was the winner of the 1925 Nobel Prize in Literature and he certainly hit the nail on the head when he wrote that famous line:"Youth is wasted on the young."
It's apathy. It's sad really. When the youths try to raise there voices there not encouraged, there not celebrated when there young, but punished, shunned. So the child just gives up on forming his own thoughts, his own views and just falls in line with his parents. Conserrvative or liberal.
My male parent was a rabid conservative, bordering on fascist.
So that premise is flawed. In the end it comes down to how 'comfortable' your life is and what you fear. the more fear you have, the more conservative.
So steel, what would you call going along with what the vast majority of your peers believe? Conformity or radical free thinking? Because that's what the majority of liberal teens are doing. Just curious about your definitions for these words.
Slightly more intelligent than the youth who are liberal. Most college students are liberal sheeple so the ones who question things superficially become conservatives and the ones who are really smart become Libertarians.
Rich parents.
Herzog: You are a conservative because you are by all intents and purposes selfish, that is the one criteria all conservatives share.
You wouldnt know a radical free thought if it bit you on the bum.
You are one of those typical 'conservatives' who will condemn and cajole others, but are unwilling to stand up for others beliefs.
Your opinions strike me as a product of being spoon fed right wing propaganda and you feel that anyone who disagrees is beneath contempt.
Perhaps if you were to fight for the freedoms of all and not for the wealthy minority. I may take your points seriously.
They are just standing up for what they think is right, like anyone else. I was a young conservative, and am still pretty conservative. Life's experiences have made me open my eyes a little more, so I'm not as rigid as I was when I was younger, but I was more conservative than my parents so I know it wasn't from their 'brainwashing'
by Kiki on Sat Oct 09, 04 12:43am
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I liked Bushes foreign policy, even at 18 (when I voted in 2000).
Steelhamster
He's more of a Libertarian.
Thanks Bab's I couldn't recall who said it. They say you lose 3 things when you get old...your memory and....I can't remember the other 2. :)
My male parent was a rabid conservative, bordering on fascist.
So that premise is flawed.
It's not flawed. Steelhamster is the exception, not all white guys can't jump some can get pretty high.
What the premise is stating is that times have changed and the independent free thought that was once opened is now shunned, ignored and simple not tolerated. Raising ones voice to complain leads someone to have the good for nothing label on him/her all through out the high school years. (Trust me I know) If someone needs further proof look at music, there's no real difference in sound from one genre to another, the independent thought process is not being wlecomed but excused.
"If a man is not a liberal at age 18, he has no heart. And if a man is not a conservative at age 30, he has no brain." - Winston Churchill
WHAT MAKES SOMEONE UNDER 21 A CONSERVATIVE?
Well, what can you say, I suppose a better than average intelligence level, an ability to understand that liberal agendas are consistently fraudulent.
It certainly gives a person faith in the young of American that many of them are conservative.
Sometimes Jappy, you sound so convincing, you even start to believe what you say.
Liberals are fraudulent?
This from a conservative, the dogma that if they would have their way would have us back in the Fuedal system.
I think I shall stick with the views that gave the working man the vote, gave us civil rights, brought us the union movement which in turn lifted the vast majority out of poverty and gave them some control over their lives.
You can keep the conservative agenda, but hope against hope that they dont get their way, as it will be the end for90% of the population of the world when it comes to free speech, liberty and workers right. Not to mention the destruction of the environment.
If my belief in the dignity and welfare ofthe working man is fraudulent, then by all means use that label.
If you feel that tugging ones forlock at ones betters is the correct way of things, please keep supporting the conservative agenda.
Actually steel president bush has been fairly liberal. Not in the right/left democrat/republican sort of way. But in the classic sense of radically changing the way things were running. Tax cuts, preemptive strikes, etc. All these are a break from tradition. So in this case 'conservatives' ARE the ones fighting for change, and liberals are the ones fighting to keep things the way they are. And you have yet to show how breaking away from the group makes you brainwashed.
I have come to learn, Herzog, that it matters not wether my points are right ornot, when it comes to debating with someone with an opposite view.
You must have read what I said in my previous post, but like so many of those with a right wing agenda, they will skip over the point made and ask a different question.
You may believe you are 'breaking away' what you are actually doing is giving succour to people who at best are indifferent to the majority of people and at worst despise them.
If you feel that trotting out the conservative line makes you a radical, then who am I to challenge that belief.
You have never once addressed my question. How does going along with the crowd make a free thinker?
herzog -- How do you know that liberals are just "going along with the crowd"? I'm a liberal, and I'm not going along with any crowd -- I'm following my personal and political beliefs.
Inbreeding.
The majority of teens are leftwing. This is a fact. Therefore any teen who is a liberal, for whatever reason, is also going along with the crowd. They are not being a 'free thinker' and the term 'brainwashed' for all those who break with the herd is unjustified.
Since when does questioning the establishment make you less of a free thinker?
You seem content to see things stay as they are.
If it were up to you and those whose share your ideals, we would still believe the Earth was flat and that we were the centre of the universe.
Young conservatives are rarely very vocal about anything, because they do not wish to have things changed.
I would challenge you to name one right a conservative has fought for that didnt involve gun control or abortion!
The right are for the way things are and do not want change, through fear or some other unfathomable reason.
You say that most young people are left leaning, perhaps to some degree this is true. As they become aware of the world around them, the astute among them begin to see the injusticies around them and wonder why it is.
You may choose to call them 'brainwashed' because they are not happy with how things are.
I believe that these younger leftist people are becoming less of the norm, as like many of their generation, they have been put to sleep by the MTV and Fast Food culture.
You seem to have bought into the whole notion that one must never question our leaders, unless of course are a political anathema to you.
The mind like a door has to be open to allow freedom, if it is left to the right wing, it would be bolted, alarmed and heavily armed.
Please continue with you slumber, and you may get your hearts desire, an America of your own making.
Conservatives have fought to lower taxes, while leftists continue the fight to steal our money.
'Since when does questioning the establishment make you less of a free thinker? '
They aren't fighting the establishment. They're simply going along with their peers. And I've already pointed out that bush has been the one 'fighting the establishment' with the left calling for a return to the good old days of high taxes and apeasement.
'You seem content to see things stay as they are.'
Democrats always bithc about how bush is sending the country in a dangerous new direction, then accuse him of wanting to stop change. Huh? You could have one or the other, but not both.
'I would challenge you to name one right a conservative has fought for that didnt involve gun control or abortion!'
More republicans voted for the equal rights amendment than democrats.
'You say that most young people are left leaning, perhaps to some degree this is true. As they become aware of the world around them, the astute among them begin to see the injusticies around them and wonder why it is.'
Right because teenagers are so aware of the world around them. No, kids are stupid and think you can get something for nothing simply by demanding it. They don't understand that hard decisions have to be made at times, that you can't make all your problems go away by wishing, etc. These things invariably lead to a radical leftwing view of the world.
'You seem to have bought into the whole notion that one must never question our leaders, unless of course are a political anathema to you.'
Personal attack, totally unsubstantiated by anything. Please find a quote where I said anything remotely like that. Not that I expect you will, as you spend all your free time kidnapping babies then drinking their blood because you think it will give you magical powers. You sicko. See how fun it is to make up BS about your opponent without any rational backing?
And yet, you STILL avoid the questions posed and cherry pick the ones you feel you can answer.
I think you have seen enough of my ballots and comments to know which side of the fence I fall on, so why do you continually ask me to answer the same questions even when answered?
You have not come up with one credible reason for your views that arent inherently selfish reasons.
what makes someone under 21 a liberal? brainwashed perhaps?
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