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well I think it was a good thing for the US, it seemed to work out fine.
by ABC on Wed Oct 20, 04 3:12pm
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It's a good thing he said that because now people will stop listening to the other crap he says.
and the hostages would still be in Iran if carter had won another term.
Perhaps Carter should have clarified his statements a tad...
I greatly look forward to the next American president (or any other world leader in a dominant position) worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.
herzog obviously took Carter out of context... can you say strawman..
Not really. Carter believes the revolution was a waste of time, and we should have addressed the issue politically. No way to spin that so that it makes sense.
maybe he thought he would be in office longer if he was a prime minister.
by USMC on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:05pm
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by USMC on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:23pm
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Why does the Democrat party insist on trotting out this insignificant political hack?
What he meant was that it could've been handled diplomatically rather than militarily. Lrrynelmira, what makes you think that Regan forced Iran to let go of the hostages?
keith
Arrafat won one of those too, the standards aren't too high.
the iranians hated carter, they purposely waited until Reagan was sworn in before they let the hostages go, so not to give him the credit of being president when it they were released.
not to give carter credit I mean
Carter would not send the shah back to Iran and infact, allowed him to be treated in nyc hospital, to live in san antonio and in panama and finally in Egypt. All arranged by the carter administration, and by the way the shaw was not much better as far as human rights in Iran went than saddam, maybe a very little less of two evils, how do you think the iraqis would feel toward France for example if he was given asylum there, and you will know how the iranians felt about the shah being given asylum in usa and eventually egypt arranged by the usa?
carter blew it, yes he did make peace between egypt and israel, I will give him credit for that, but that was the only thing he did as president. He totally distroyed our military.
Carter? Is HE still alive? Anyway. Without the Revolutionary War, we'd all be Canadians now. And you know rotten the weather is in Canada!
The last sentence of above comment should read, "You know how rotten the weather is in Canada!" I'll learn to type one of these days...
Boy oh boy do I hate that man. Clinton (Both Bill AND Hill) are just a delight compared to that twit.
Carter was right. It took the British Rothschild agents years to get back control of America through the privately owned Federal (?!) Reserve.
At least Americans did get the Bill Of Rights; one of the greatest documents ever written. Unfortunately this marvellous proclamation of God given rights is being dismantled as we speak by a selected president who just happens to be related to our hideous Royal Family.
Regarding HerzogÂ’s question:
I didnÂ’t read CarterÂ’s interview but I assume that he meant that independence could have been won without a tough wa... I think that nobody can answer this, itÂ’s pure historical speculation, it could have maybe work, maybe not.
But if Carter believes as an historian that it could have been the case, itÂ’s conclusion that this war was unnecessary is logical.
Regarding larrynelmiraÂ’s answer on Oct 20, 2004
Iranians didnÂ’t hated Carter but seeing that he refused any compromise with the new regime, initiated discussions beginning of the eighties with members of the future Reagan administration on the conditional release of the American hostages (The deal was about selling weapons).
IranÂ’s army, which was mostly based on American systems, material and infrastructure, desperately needed replacement parts because of the war with Iraq (This ultimately led to the Iran-Contra scandal).
Quidam you are wrong about the iranians liking carter, I remember when the hostages were captured, I remember the anti american anti carter protest, they purposely waited until Reagan was sworn in before they would release the hostages. and yes I know about the iran contra scandal, had nothing to do with the embassy hostages in Iran , that had to do with the hostages in Lebannon in which Iran had some influrence. Where you are getting your information I don't know, but regarding Carter and the Iranians, he was hated, carter protected the shah. I don't know how old you are, but I know how much carter was hated. In fact that was one of the many reasons carter lost 2nd term, Iranians used that to influrence our elections, if you were around you would have known the frustration and anger americans had about carters inability to bring the hostages home.
Hi Mike,
I'm 41 ;-)
Regarding Carter and Iranians well I can tell you what I remember.
In fact I was living in the south of Iran mid of 1978 just before the revolution (or better said my father with his family).
Yes Iranians were really angry with Americans because of supporting the Shah and itÂ’s quite repressive police but I donÂ’t remember seeing slogan especially aimed at Carter. They were even more angry when the war with Iraq started because of the direct and indirect support of US and France provided to Saddam (France delivered planes and missiles helping Saddam attacking tankers and oils platforms, the US sent satellite photography of Iranians troops movements at the border to the Iraqis) but they also realized at that time they would need weapons (because of Afghanistan the USSR wasnÂ’t really interested in giving support)
I also remember really well the hostages crisis and the tragic accident which happened to the US Special Forces sent to rescue the hostages. At that time my father was so baffled that Americans sent chopper over the desert without good sand filters that he sent a copy of documents, maps and description of the local sand storm of the region of Bandar Abbas to the US military intelligence.
I remember the American public feeling being profoundly humiliated and a clear anger directed at Carter who was perceived as a weak president. But after this disaster I believe he had no choice, he coudn't step back or make a deal.
And I remember also the Iran-Contra scandal were allegations were made that Ronalds ReaganÂ’s team were already in contact with Iranians authorities before American elections took place (I think there was an interesting book from Mr. Gary Sick on that)
Quidam that is inpossible that you did not see it, I can picture the burning effigy of carter now, I have no clue why you did not see this. Sure the usa supported the evil shah for years before carter, but he happened to be in the white house when the shah was overthrown and he was the one refusing to return the shah to Iran, either you had your head buried in the sand or you are not being truthful.
impossible
Carter allowed the Shah to make a stopover in the United States, and undergo medical treatment. The compromise was extremely unpopular in Iran, where the new regime had now vilified the Shah as an American stooge. Khomeini demanded the former monarch's return to Iran to face trial and execution for his alleged misdeeds.
November 2: The Iranian parliament issues a statement making it clear the hostages will not be released before the election.
Carter was willing to overlook the shah's violations of human rights. To demonstrate American support, Carter visited Iran in late December 1977. He applauded Iran as "an island of stability in one of the most troubled areas of the world" and praised the shah as a great leader who had won "the respect and the admiration and love" of his people.
in the slums of Teheran and in rural, poverty?stricken villages, there was little respect, admiration, or love for his regime. Led by a fundamentalist Islamic clergy and emboldened by want, the masses of Iranians turned against the shah and his westernization policies
In January 1979, the shah fled to Egypt. Exiled religious leader Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini returned to Iran, preaching the doctrine that the United States was the "Great Satan" behind the shah. Relations between the United States and the new Iranian government were terrible, but Iranian officials warned that they would become infinitely worse if the shah were granted asylum. Nevertheless, Carter permitted the shah to enter the United States for treatment of lymphoma. The reaction in Iran was severe.
No, I think that it would be much better had we stayed part of the Queenie empire. That way we could now be accused of suppressing the Indians (of India), the Chinese (of China), the Africans (of Africa), the Irish (of Ireland), and we could have so much more fun if the world hated us even more than they claim to now.
Herzog may or may not have taken Carter out of context but why bother? Jimmy Carter says monumentally stupid things that don't have to be taken out of context.
Hi Mike,
You put quite a long answer. I have a lot to do right now. Will come back later.
What people don't seem to realize is that at the time of the American Revolution, this country was equally divided between people who supported the rebels and people who supported the Brits...1/3 of the population wanted to break away from England, 1/3 were Tories who wanted to remain a British colony for the time being at least, and 1/3 didn't really care one way or the other. Perhaps THAT was what Carter was referring to....he should have been a little clearer, perhaps.
That wasn't what Nobel Laureate, Jimmy Carter was saying. Ask Bush, the Chimp, he'll tell you.
Herzog, he also said back in 1979 that he was attacked by a giant bunny rabit while fishing & that it tried to kill him, no joke he told the press that & then said they misunderstood him. Sounds like a joke but it actually happend. I think he's off his rocker a little bit, but he has done some good work after leaving office so I guess the press just lets it go when they speak to him today.
If we had not won the revolutionary war, we'd all be speaking with a British accent.
What would you find if you opened up Jimmy Carter's head?
A peanut of course.
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