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WHY SHOULD THE U.S. CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ISRAEL?

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WHY SHOULD THE U.S. CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ISRAEL?


[+] serious ballot by patch22us
created Wed Oct 20, 04

U.S. support and defense of Israel has long been assumed: people just naturally expect that America will stand up for Israel no matter what. However, why? What has Israel done for the United States? Some people maintain that Israel uses the U.S. as a proxy to power: using us to fight their battles for them, even if it means misleading us. Are the American people tired of unquestioned support for Israel? Is America being one sided in its support of Israel at the expense of our relationship with Arab nations. Some might argue that it is because Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East. So? We have great relations with nations that are not Democracies, so that is not valid either. Is our support due to the powerful Jewish lobby here in the U.S. and if so, isn't that unjust? This ballot has nothing to do with Religion because Israel is a country and Judasim is a religion, so please, no negative comments about people of the Jewish faith.

No. The U.S. Should NOT always support Israel
Yes, We should continue our support of Israel
Israel Needs to Stop Draggin us into Their Problems
The U.S. Must be more Impartial and Fair in the Middle East
Israel is a racist illegal occupation


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COMMENTS:
One thing that really bothers me is the perception that Israel has some sort of control over the U.S. supposedly, Ariel Sharon made a comment to Shimon Perez in some sort of debate on the Kol Yisrael radio station October 3, 2001:-
This is the quote:
'Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.'

I've found thousans of references to this quote on the internet, so I assume it is an accurate quote. This really disturbs me. So many people slam all Arab nations as terrorists, but I just don't think that is fair or accurate. Are we too one-sided in standing behind Israel all the time? I know people are afraid to speak up, for fear of being branded an anti-semite, but Israel is a nation, not a religion. I think we need to be more fair and open minded in our policies in the Middle East.
by patch22us on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:39pm [+]

Should be more impartial for sure. I think Isreal is the terrorist.
by ABC on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:50pm [+]

Sharon is a racist child killer.
by Qui_Qui on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:53pm [+]

I Agree, USA Should Be More Impartial
by USMC on Wed Oct 20, 04 5:54pm [+]

That quote IS disturbing and this is a good ballot, not anti-semitic, patch!
by magdalenasdollar on Wed Oct 20, 04 6:15pm [+]

I have never understood it either, some possibilities though not thought out really hard.
1) need to have a judeo-christian settlement in the middle east
2) startegic location for armed forces in the event we need a place to deploy from
3) this is way out there but, I have heard a theory that in order for the second coming to happen, all the Jews have to be returned to Israel and also there is something about one of the Mosques in Israel is on a holy site for Christians and this needs to be gone.
I know the above sounds like a bunch of crap but maybe someone else can clear up some of these theories not just disect them, I can do that, but maybe there is a thread of truth to them.
by Duckhead on Wed Oct 20, 04 7:13pm [+]

US should've never supported Israel. It has nothing to do with democracy, it's all about money. If it were democracy then the US would have broken away from the Sauds a long time ago.
by Liberal_Democrat on Wed Oct 20, 04 7:46pm [+]

I'd rather give my money to the Jews than the Muslims but I'd prefer not to give it to either of them.
by MrTroche on Wed Oct 20, 04 8:20pm [+]

Sharon is an arrogant fat pig...He orders terrorist attacks against men, women, and children and he is no better than those who do the same against Jewish citizens. The U.S. needs to get out between the two combatants and let them kill each other and be done with it...This battle between the two combatants has existed for thousands of years. I believe when adults can get into the business of killing children they are truly the definition of evil...
by Barbara_Baby_Cakes on Wed Oct 20, 04 8:22pm [+]

well, they are smart.

I wonder what would happen if arab americans gather up their financial powers and get their people elected in US senate, and yield equvalent amount of power in US. Sadly, US goverment is for sale to the highest bidding lobbyist these days. If Osama used his millions to do charitable work in US and get some lobbyists in the congress, it would have done them far more goo than bombing the WTC.
by LCD on Thu Oct 21, 04 10:18pm [+]

While Bush uses the fact that Saddam Hussein has not complied with UN resolutions as an excuse to launch his ``pre-emptive" war, here is a list of dozens of UN resolutions that Israel has not complied with. These should be included when you send emails and faxes to your congressional representatives to oppose Bush's war on Iraq.

UN Resolutions Against Israel, 1955-1992
1. Resolution 106: "... 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid"
2. Resolution 111: "...'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people"
3. Resolution 127: "...'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem"
4. Resolution 162: "...'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions"
5. Resolution 171: "...determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its attack on Syria"
6. Resolution 228: "...'censures' Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control"
7. Resolution 237: "...'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees"
8. Resolution 248: "... 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan"
9. Resolution 250: "... 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem"
10. Resolution 251: "... 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250"
11. Resolution 252: "...'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital"
12. Resolution 256: "... 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as "flagrant violation"
13. Resolution 259: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation"
14. Resolution 262: "...'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport"
15. Resolution 265: "... 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan"
16. Resolution 267: "...'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem"
17. Resolution 270: "...'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon"
18. Resolution 271: "...'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem"
19. Resolution 279: "...'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon"
20. Resolution 280: "....'condemns' Israeli's attacks against Lebanon"
21. Resolution 285: "...'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form Lebanon"
22. Resolution 298: "...'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem"
23. Resolution 313: "...'demands' that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon"
24. Resolution 316: "...'condemns' Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon"
25. Resolution 317: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon"
26. Resolution 332: "...'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon"
27. Resolution 337: "...'condemns' Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty"
28. Resolution 347: "...'condemns' Israeli attacks on Lebanon"
29. Resolution 425: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
30. Resolution 427: "...'calls' on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon'
31. Resolution 444: "...'deplores' Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces"
32. Resolution 446: "...'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
33. Resolution 450: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon"
34. Resolution 452: "...'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories"
35. Resolution 465: "...'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist Israel's settlements program"
36. Resolution 467: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention in Lebanon"
37. Resolution 468: "...'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return"
38. Resolution 469: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians" 39. Resolution 471: "... 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention"
40. Resolution 476: "... 'reiterates' that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'"
41. Resolution 478: "...'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'"
42. Resolution 484: "...'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors"
43. Resolution 487: "...'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility"
44. Resolution 497: "...'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescind its decision forthwith"
45. Resolution 498: "...'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon"
46. Resolution 501: "...'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops"
47. Resolution 509: "...'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon"
48. Resolution 515: "...'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in"
49. Resolution 517: "...'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon"
50. Resolution 518: "...'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon"
51. Resolution 520: "...'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut"
52. Resolution 573: "...'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters
53. Resolution 587: "...'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw"
54. Resolution 592: "...'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops" 55. Resolution 605: "...'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians
56. Resolution 607: "...'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention
57. Resolution 608: "...'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians"
58. Resolution 636: "...'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians
59. Resolution 641: "...'deplores' Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians
60. Resolution 672: "...'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount
61. Resolution 673: "...'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations
62. Resolution 681: "...'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians
63. Resolution 694: "...'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return
64. Resolution 726: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of Palestinians
65. Resolution 799: "...'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

The following are the resolutions vetoed by the United States during the period of September, 1972, to May, 1990 to protect Israel from council criticism:
1. ....condemned Israel's attack against Southern against southern Lebanon and Syria..."
2. ....affirmed the rights of the Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections..."
3. ...condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians..."
4. ....called for self-determination of Palestinian people..."
5. ....deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognized as an international city by most world nations and the United Nations..."
6. ....affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people..."
7. ....endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people..."
8. ....demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights..."
9. ....condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva convention protocols of civilized nations..."
10. ....condemned an Israeli soldier who shot eleven Moslem worshippers at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount near Al-Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem..."
11. ....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon..."
12. ....urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Beirut..."
14. ....urged cutoff of economic aid to Israel if it refused to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon..."
15. ....condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied territories in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace..."
16. ....deplores Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urges its withdrawal..."
17. ....condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression...."
18. ....denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories..."
19. ....deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon..."
20. ....deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem that threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites..."
21. ....condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger airplane..."
22. ....deplored Israel's attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon..."
23. ....called on Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian intifada that violated the rights of occupied Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Conventions, and to formalize a leading role for the United Nations in future peace negotiations..."
24. ....urged Israel to accept back deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention, and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices..."
25. ....condemned Israel's... incursion into Lebanon..."
26. ....deplored Israel's... commando raids on Lebanon..."
27. ....deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian intifada and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians..."
28. ....deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians..."
29. ....demanded that Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian intifada..."
30. ...called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli-occupied lands..."-


Source: Paul Findley, Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About the US/Israeli Relationship (Chicago: Lawrence Hill, 1993).
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Oct 21, 04 10:36pm [+]

Couchgnome recites a list of UN Resolutions against Israel. If the UN is put into context it is seen that they are largely anti-semitic. France, Britain, and Russia have a long and storied history of discrimination against Jews. China is somewhat neutral in the sense that they don't necessarily have a history with Jewish people. That leaves the US on the Security Council to protect Israel from the tyranny of the majority. but of course the racist 'internationalists' don't want any kind of balance, just the destruction of the only free and democratic nation in the middle east. Muslim, Christians and any other religion is allowed to be practiced. That cannot be said of any Muslim run, 'so-called' nation. Turkey even in its seclarity suppress the Eastern Orthodox religion and will not allow any monasteries or seminaries.

Once again the Liberl_Moran is confused about who the saudi and who the Israelis are. This is an example of what happens when you are infected with the brain disease of liberalism.
by xxxxxxxx on Fri Oct 22, 04 1:59am [+]

The U.S. voting history on the resolutions don't lie. Very biased no matter how you slice it. Alot of Arab hate towards the U.S. comes from the biased U.S. foreign policy towards Israel. They are at war and we are not impartial, but support Israel financially and politically and many Arabs hate the U.S. for it. U.S. weapons kill Palestinians and Palestinians resort to suicide bombings. Israel has 100's of WMD's and the U.S. looks the other way. Great enviornment for death and destruction for many years to come. If nothing changes, nothing changes.
by Pepsi on Fri Oct 22, 04 2:40am [+]

I wouldnt mind so much if they actually had foreskins.
by British_Bloke_Mk_II on Fri Oct 22, 04 2:40pm [+]

confidentconservativ: I wonder how much religion, specifically the Christian Coalition plays into your opinion. I'm not accusing, just curious. The Religious right in this country have convinced Republicans (not all) that the U.S. must protect Israel. What they either don't know or won't tell is that "Israel" in the Bible is most likely NOT the little nation in the Middle East that calls itself Israel. In fact, many Bible scholars belive that when it is written to protect "Israel," it is a spiritual Israel, just as "Babyon" is spiritual. Spiritual Israel is those who belive in God and spiritual Babylon are those who are stuck out in the secular world. I ask this only because so many conservatives love to spout off about Israel being this beacon of Democracy. So? Yeah, big deal! At what expense do we defend this middle eastern democracy. Are you going to tell me that the Palestinians are without rights? They were after all, driven from their homeland...and you don't think they're just a little pissed? This debate is about politics and it has been one sided for far too long. There is a powerful lobby in this country that has pushed the U.S. into backing Israel, despite many of our elected officials and our people not wanting to. Are you aware that recently, the United States Senate was prepared to issue a statement of condemnation on Israel (cannot recall the EXACT act of violence that had been perpetrated). However, due to this powerful lobby in the U.S., that statement did not see the light of day. So it would appear that even our elected officials are tired of our constantly defending Israel. People would do well to remember that this is a battle that we must and always be fair in... we need to weigh in with impartiality, but sadly, somehow that does not seem to happen. I could not care less if Israel is this shining beacon of Democracy...unless of course you can tell me that the U.S. ONLY deals with other democratic nations...which, you cannot. Thanks!
by patch22us on Fri Oct 22, 04 10:51pm [+]

this is an overall vote against unquestioned support for israel. i'm glad to see it.
by Guest User from [65.24.94.23] on Wed Aug 02, 06 7:27pm [+]

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