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COMMENTS:
A bunch of baloney if I ever read it.
You don't join Christianity to "escape" you join it on your own will and time.
Probably more because of one's own fear of death and what's beyond death.
It's a theory ... something to deal with the concept of mortality: loved ones or ones'own.
"You don't join Christianity to "escape" you join it on your own will and time. "
Uhh no. Probably 95% of people pick up a religion because their parents raised them into it. It's almost never a choice.
There's no reasonable doubt that religion was invented as a means of coping with fear of death - by denying that death exists.
And apparently the concept of the afterlife was invented by my noble namesakes, the Neanderthals. They were the first humanoid species to bury their dead with elaborate ritual, leaving food, clothing and weapons in the grave. The purpose could not be more obvious: since the decedent needed these things in life, he'd need them in the afterlife. Thus, the Neanderthals invented religion.
But they were really primitive - so this old atheist can forgive them for that!
Um, I think man came up with FUNERALS as a way of dealing with the death of a loved one.
" Uhh no. Probably 95% of people pick up a religion because their parents raised them into it. It's almost never a choice. "
What is your beef with religion? I'm not forcing my religion on you, so stop forcing your Atheism on me.
I'm not forcing anything on anyone.
That fear of death, losing a loved one, thing is a bit simplistic, I think. But this is Best and Worst, so well done everyone. Tomorrow we'll do some colouring in.
Did man invent aethiesm out of ignorance?
Other way around.
That fear of death, losing a loved one, thing is a bit simplistic, I think. But this is Best and Worst, so well done everyone. Tomorrow we'll do some colouring in.
by cretin_slap on Nov 09, 2004
Genuinely funny! Really made me smile. As always 'slap you give me a reason to log in.
Anyway, here is my worthless opinion....
Religion came about due to a complicated interaction between humans and the universe around them.
Anything unexplainable is a bit frustrating so humans created "Gods" to explain things that they could not explain themselves. Hence we have Gods of weather, the moon, the sun and other stars etc. Secondly the fear of death is natural one and humans must have made sense of the loss by asking that their loved ones and themselves would be protected in the after-life.
The idea of an after-life brings us on to the most important factor of all- societal motivation. Uneducated, small societies can be motivated to behave with a set of laws providing that the punishment for breaking them is harsh enough (everlasting pain and agony or eternal nothingness) and the reward for following them is good enough (eternal paradise, reunion with dead loved ones).
This seems so simple as to almost be beyond debate, after all virtually all humans the world over have developed ideas that fit this theory.
The old testament is quite clearly concerned not only with a bunch of poorly written myths but also with a fundamental set of laws to maintain social harmony through sensible, altruistic and healthy behaviour/practices.
In essence, todays dominant religions are no more sophisticated and tell us no more about reality than the religions of the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, Native Americans or any other religion of the past.
^^ Agreed ,worthless
Mainstream westerners , the materialists ,still continue to not understand what people of the past actually believed and its necessary to their already dead paradigm that they distort facts and rewrite history to create their view of themselves as Enlightened and the result of ongoing progress.Its is well acknowledged BS that the past was one of darkness and superstition
Physicists such as David Bohm , Arthur M Young's The Reflexive Universe, Joseph Campbell , Jung, Essays such as The Theory of Evolutionary Process as a Unifying Paradigm by Frank Barr M.D. , Stanislav Grof's Transpersonal psychology , Stan Tenet, The work of Viktor Schauberger and Nikola Tesla and many others continue to elucidate on precisely what was ACTUALLY believed and understood
The ongoing western materialist assertions and establishment intellectual quackery regarding life also require distortions such as propagating the myths that the past peoples such as the Egyptians had Gods for everything , that they worshipped them and were fearful and ignorant .
Absolutely no understanding on Process, Topology , Cosmology, metaphor , the physics., Consciousness ...
hey monkeynuts,
when you have your own opinion I will take you seriously. Try not to spew out the words and thoughts of others.
Muppet.
I dont think at any point that I suggested Egyptians "had Gods for everything". It is not a matter of debate that they worshipped Gods (who they believed to have lived on Earth in their remote past) and that they believed in an afterlife. These myths told them nothing about the true nature of reality.
Your response is true to form. You barely acknowledge other peoples arguments, I guess because you are so busy cutting and pasting from articles you dont fully understand.
Anyone sane out there willing to continue this discussion?
Your a fool and waste of time.. Whats make you think you know anything about what i know and believe personally.
I said before ive posted plenty on what i believe and the research ive done over the years before in previous months.Learn how to read muppet
And the Indians themselves say nothing you produce is anything to do with what they believe
You can claim i or anyone else believes in the muffin man
Youre just a loser
And that was a comment adressing the ballot.Not you.Youve been dismissed from the beginning
"And the Indians themselves say nothing you produce is anything to do with what they believe"
Hey monkeynuts,
What ARE you blathering about?!
Again, your comments have no bearing on the points raised.
Classic
Once more for the viewers and the non-chronically dense
Final time.
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DID MAN DEVELOP RELIGION LONG AGO AS A WAY TO OVERCOME THE INTENSE GRIEF OF LOSING A LOVED ONE?
by Jigsaw
BMN responds to Jigsaw :
Native Americans have what is conventionally known as"religion".The Meaning of the Native Americans metaphors and understandings , the same as the Taoists , Gnostics , egyptians, sumerians, sufis ,Tibetans etc. is completely misunderstood and falsified by the "establishment"
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Maybe a certain unnamed fruitcake *will* now get the hint he and his posts arent being interacted with here and head back to his Gameboy
Adios
And...? Your comment has no bearing on the question!
Maybe you should stop clogging up this thread if you can't actually argue against some of the more rational points here.
I am fed up of trawling through you posts for any glimmer of intelligence on your behalf so join the discussion or be quiet.
Christ ,youre stupid . This guy takes the cake.Fucking hell
"... and Process, Topology , Cosmology, metaphor , the physics., Consciousness ... "
Some sad dweebs , just dont have the grey matter to read between the lines.
But you really are a farting little ignoramus.
Youre noise is officially switched off.
In case there is anyone else nearly as thick as that last nob.
All and any aspects of Reality which have always been perfectly understood were simply represented by metaphors, various kinds of depictions and symbolic language. i.e . Scientific understanding.
((Eg, as already given .Tesla and Schauberger technology .Logistic- shape- linguistics are encoded into the ancient Dogu statues
which were unearthed in Japan and other
artifacts around the world. Vortex mechanics and radiant energy
electronic circuitry are encoded into the
ancient statues depicting Quantum Electro-Gravitic Propulsion systems
and spacecraft .
Or Pleomorphism, somatids , etc etc))
Robert Grace's "electrons and mythologies" being another good site
Try dealing with scientific FACTS.
You probably think Alan F. Alford and Erich Von Daniken have all the answers.
You are a poor, deluded fool. I shall no longer bother reading the crap you copy into the comment areas.
Thanks for proving what I thought all along.
You know nothing.
You have nothing to say.
"((Eg, as already given .Tesla and Schauberger technology .Logistic- shape- linguistics are encoded into the ancient Dogu statues
which were unearthed in Japan and other
artifacts around the world. Vortex mechanics and radiant energy
electronic circuitry are encoded into the
ancient statues depicting Quantum Electro-Gravitic Propulsion systems
and spacecraft .
Or Pleomorphism, somatids , etc etc))"
by bigmonkeynuts on Feb 02, 2005
Still, that is beyond funny.
You'll be saying there are intelligently designed structures in Cydonia next.
You are a waste of DNA.
LMAO .
And yes, to add for you great unwashed and possibly unmedicated masses , they did discover and utilize Tesla -Schauberger technology all by themselves. No little green men required
Oh and kiddies, check out the advanced Aeronautics in the Vedas and many more advanced technologies.
These have been replicated in modern times based upon the instructions/ descriptions given (and worked of course)
You are an idiot.
^^ The internet tuffguy still sitting on his wowwipop
Whatever.
You and your delusional 'friends' have nothing to offer in terms of rational arguments based on sound scientific evidence. The kind of nonsense you have mentioned about the Vedas as proof of ancient technologies is not worth challenging. It is like saying the book of Revelation is evidence for seven headed serpents, or Genesis as evidence of creation. It is utterly pseudoscientific and a waste of intellectual energy.
I suppose the H.G. Wells classic 'War of the Worlds' is proof of a martian invasion of Earth? No? And why is that exactly....? That's right! It is a work of FICTION.
Penny dropped yet?
Raving CSICOP cunt still chatting away to
himself it looks .Sad.
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But viewers , just follow up those scientists mentioned in the link and others whove replicated it , plus tesla Schuaberger as well as the structures , artifacts and writings in ancient cultures the world over + the given links.
Outta here
And Christ , anyone out there willing to discuss thigs properly and rationally (whether it be true or false) feel free to message.
...as well as the non-literal , non-christian view of the bible , evidence for ancient nuclear warfare , anomalies such as some of those detailed on a James Donahue site or similar etc
userpage .Too many Barret's and Randi's trolling the comment box
bigmonkeynuts called your mom a bitch wideheadofknowledge...
(as well as the most recent discoveries re the Terracotta warriors , Chinese artefacts and how Tesla-schau explains the scale models discovered in the 1800s)
spacemen non - essential to below link
ancientgravitics. tripod.com/ )
And Hon. mention to Dr Hideo Seki .
Right thats *way* more than enough
*edit
explains the scale models discovered in the 1800s of wooden aeroplane and a metal device.
But ONE FINAL time : Focus on the documents, scholars and translators and scientists referenced in the indiacause site
"...evidence for ancient nuclear warfare"
by bigmonkeynuts on Feb 08, 2005
Are you INSANE?!
The only reason I am chatting to myself is that you have blocked up this thread with your usual mix of consipracy -theory -psuedo-scientific -nonsense and multiple thread -destroying posts.
What started as a nice discussion here has turned to shite because YOU have, once again, polluted it with your pathetic rambling.
What is funny is that you can clearly distinguish the posts you cut and paste (rambling crap but at least no spelling/grammatical errors) with your own work (a mess of poor punctuation, wonky grammar and terrible spelling).
It would be nice if you were able to actually argue on your own instead of directing us to pathetic links dealing with crackpot 'science' and outrageously dumb 'theories' about Ancient technology which quite clearly did not exist. Except in fiction of course.
The comedy value is wearing thin....
yaaaaaaaaaawn
And the volumes of untranslated blue prints and detailed instructions and flight manuals and The Indian Emperor Ashoka and Dr. Ruth Reyna and the Chinese and Indian Governments and the Samara Sutradhara and the Vymaanika-Shaastra and the Jain and the Samaranganasutradhara and the Nazis and the and the and the ----**
And Richard Welch's subdyn is faaaaaa ntastic for plagiarism without having to cheat
PPPPPLLLLTTTTHHHHH !!
Oh look , privates already ,NOW time for a proper convo and my own thoughts to urinate at last ---aaaaaaaaahh
"And the volumes of untranslated blue prints and detailed instructions and flight manuals.."
Oh nice!
How about Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat? Or the Loch Ness Monster? Or Conan Doyles Fairies? Or the Lost Ark found in Ethiopia? Or stone faces and pyramids on Mars?
There is absolutely nothing but pure speculation and wild intepretation to back up ANY of what you are talking about.
Where is the hard, scientific proof?
Where is a well reasoned refutation of my earlier suggestion for the origin of religion?
Can't you produce one? Or do you HAVE to keep pointing is in the direction of those whose 'work' you so blindly follow?
I am still reeling at the "volumes of untranslated blueprints" comment.
If they are untranslated then how does anyone know they are blueprints?
Where are these "volumes" kept?
What drugs are you taking?
Oh yeh noticed that 2 late.Sorry , that meant the texts itheyre contained in..Not from the Native tongue into English
And the endless mass of diagrams, details, blue prints ,instructions , flight manuals and all the scientific discoveries which would not have occurred without them and all else which is explicitly described and publically available --- well im neither drunk nor bored stupid when talking to someone via email or messaging nor do I need references . And im doing that elsewhere right now
And yes ,sincere apologies for the --poor thread ettiquette.Quite right There are various reason-but not to go into
But bye now , take care Wide. Ill let ya have the last..... ;)
*e T ikett*
spell that properly
LOL you guys are hilarious.
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