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Why is it that when someone wins something, no matter by what margin, some of the supporters suddenly feel capable of speaking for the Masses ... who are now seen as suddenly developing into a homogenous group that, coincidentally, agrees with the speaker?
Believe it or not. What I speak is the truth.
News flash: Bush squeaked. He has the most votes AGAINST him of any US president.
He won, yes ... but don't try to slap your agenda on the situation, after the fact. And if you must, at least have the intellectual honesty to label it as your opinion/ speculation, rather than Fact.
Truth?
Rightwing_ Republican, you wouldn't recognize Truth if it mutated into a 50-foot monster and attacked Tokyo.
LOL, Cathexis ... have you seen the 'map' on RRW's userpage? According to that map, we are surrounded and outnumbered :-)
by mojo on Thu Nov 18, 04 8:51am
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Well Cathexis, if you are so "Intellectual" you would realize the 1st and 4th reasons are opinions. Reason's 2 & 3 are the truth. Maybe if you would spend less time insulting Republicans you would learn from you mistakes and figure out a way for a successful election for the Democrats in 2008.
Do the people who voted for George W. Bush realize what they have done to themselves, the rest of the country and the world? I come from a long, long line of Republicans. To be honest, Republicans who socialize with the top elite of the Republican party. I won't go into it more than that, but let me tell you this, if you think that the power elite in the Republican party give tow sh*ts about regular folk, you're fooling yourself. I have heard many of them basically admit that they have no use for the middle class; if you aren't worth millions of dollars, they just DO NOT care about you. For those pregular eople who voted for Bush..the power elite of the Republican party are laughing at how naieve you are!! I know of which I speak! You write of Bush bashing! Dude, are you nuts!! Clinton bashing was OUT OF CONTROL!! Hypocrits.
I also notice you don't allow anyone to add a comment. Why not?
Another thought Right Wing: on the topic I posted about wealth and the Republican party. How rich are you? Have you ever been invited to or attended a Republican event or fundraiser? Do you know anyone of power in the party, or any elected politicians who are Republicans? You claim that YOU speak the truth. On this topic, I don't care how arrogant I come across, but I have been in the same room with Dick Cheney and almost every major player in the party and I can tell you this: they do not care about YOU, unless YOU can do something for THEM. Please note: virtually my entire family and almost everyone we know, despite being very intimate with the party, did NOT vote for W. what does that tell you? What it should tell you is that those in the know, knew enough to not vote for him. The people who did...just honest folks who bought into the BS. When W. has ruined our economy, let's hear back from you and those who voted for him...belive me, he won't stand up for you.
And another thing Right Wing. Don't be a DOLT! That stupid map on your user page...dude...you do know that the RED areas are areas with scarce populations, don't you? You do know that CA, NY, NJ, etc. that are Blue have more population, right? This is the problem with idealouges...the never really look into anything..they see something they feel proves their point and then parade it around as "evidence." Get real.
Republican party not for lower Americans? The Democratic party are intellectual elites that want to rule over everybody instead of the common man. I am an average American citizen neither rich or poor. If anything you comment above mine was Hypocritical.
INTELLECTUALS!
{{{{be afraid, be very afraid}}}
They might brain you with their spectacles!
by mojo on Thu Nov 18, 04 9:19am
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Look RightWing, they are not for the average man. If you want to belive that, then go right ahead. They have successfully convinced people like you that they care about you because they claim they will protec you, that they will uphold values, that they stand for the American family. What you obviously don't see is that they are taking away with the other hand. What they are taking away is our freedom, our jobs..you name it. This really has more to do with W. and his administration than it does with being a "Republican" or a "Democrat." All I'm saying is please, please, please think outside the party lines. To be a good American, you have to think for the greater good and not for the party or the candidate.
RR: Yes, I recognize the opinions, even though you presented them as facts.
I also recogniz ethe misperceptiosn and/or distortions. For example:
Democrats lack *sufficient* support in the South. By boldly omitting that qualifier, you seriously affect the truthfulness of the statement. The South is reddish-purple, son. More red, yes. Currently.
As for gun ownership ... why are you bringing thgat up? That was a non-issue, as far as I could tell. Geez, I was embarrassed for Kerry going out their to show off his hunting duds.
IMO, you offered little, if anything, of substance, beyond insubstantial gloating.
Re: Intellectuals.
Seeing as you brought it up, and I don't recall making such a claim, may I suggest that it is you who may have "issues" with this?
Perhaps you should consider therapy?
As for figuring out a way for Democrats to win in '08 ... you failed to read my bio. I am not a Democrat. I am unaffiliated. My goal is not to see a Democrat win, it is to see the best and most capable person win.
This year, that was not George W. Bush.
Non-partisan voting ... try it sometime! You'll be surprised how it helps keep your knees from jerking. ;-)
Like Republican_rightwing, I too am feeling very smug and self-satisfied over the election results. It feels great that the voters vindicated me.
Meaning: as a Libertarian, I really love rubbing it in to the Constitutionalists and Greens that my candidate, Michael Badnarik, got more votes than both of their candidates combined!
" Why is it that when someone wins something, no matter by what margin, some of the supporters suddenly feel capable of speaking for the Masses ... who are now seen as suddenly developing into a homogenous group that, coincidentally, agrees with the speaker? "
Hmmm.. This applies to people of all political stripes, Cath.
" News flash: Bush squeaked. He has the most votes AGAINST him of any US president. "
He also got the highest percentage of votes in, like, fifty years.
Walter-Peck wrote: He also got the highest percentage of votes in, like, fifty years.
Supposedly. I maintain that there were some major problems with this election and I truly don't think it was all above board. I literally know 1 person who voted for Bush, but know at least 20 that were voting for Kerry. Apparently, that fact is emerging across the country. Either people lied and said they were not voting for Bush, and then did, or I don't know what. Either Walter-Peck, it is a sad commentary on this nation that a man who is quite literally bankrupting us, got elected. So many people without jobs, yet he got elected. Almost the whole world HATES us because of him, yet he got elected. People around the globe voted us as the "major threat to world peace," yet he got elected.
Experts say that under Clinton, we were at the height of power...nations liked us, people had jobs, we had more freedome, etc., etc. Statistics show that under Bush, quality of life is down, and the number of people now living below the poverty line is up dramatically. Personal bankruptcy is up big time, but Bush, in his "care for the people," got a law passed making it almost impossible for citizens to declare bankruptcy, but also put it in the law that the creditor had more rights than the one in financial distress. Hope you have some money or a secure job, because Bush has pushed us back 100 years and corporations rule supreme in his eyes...basically, we're screwed! But...hey, 59 million geniuses voted for him! If people would actually do research and see what has been going on in the passed 4 years, they would sh*t a brick!!
Do you have a phone? Sure you do. Under the Patriot Act, it can be tapped without a court order...simply if a neighbor tells the government that you might be a terrorist (don't belive it, check it out). It that's security under Bush..no thanks!
4. is the only one that mattered. Despite all this talk about moral values voters rated the War on Terror, the War in Iraq, and the economy more important.
Bush 1988: 53.4%
Reagan 1984: 58.8%
Nixon 1972: 60.7%
Johnson 1964: 61.1%
Eisenhower 1956: 57.4%
Eisenhower 1952: 55.1%
Exactly, how did Bush get a higher percentage than any President in the last fifty years. The only reason Clinton didn't get a higher percentage was because of strong third party candidates who took votes from the winner.
Here is a little statistic for you though, Bush got a smaller percentage of the vote than any wartime President since Woodrow Wilson in 1916. Even during the worse parts of the Korean and Vietnam Wars the incumbants got a much larger percentage of the votes.
Even Lincoln got a higher percentage in 1864 during the Civil War!
I should clarify: Bush got a higher percentage of the popular vote than the majority of Democrat presidents since 1912:
Let's go through some recent Democrat presidents, and I will prove to you here that Bush received a larger percentage of the vote than most of them. In 1996 Clinton got 49%. Remember, Bush's number is 51.1%. Clinton, 49% in '96. In '92, Clinton, 43%. 1976, Jimmy Carter, 50%. 1960, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, 49.7%. 1948, Harry Truman, 49.5%. 1912, Woodrow Wilson, 41.8%.
I should clarify: Bush got a higher percentage of the popular vote than the majority of Democrat presidents since 1912. by WalterPeck_EPA on Nov 18, 2004
Of course he did WalterPeck, Bush has managed to get, and cause a higher percentage of the population to take Ridilin. The numbers were bound to be in his favor. :)
LoL, patch. I'm partial to thorazine myself.
Bush-bashing?! It's because of BUSH-bashing? HAHAHA! Shit, Kerry was bashed, abused, raked over the coals worse than any other candidate for political office, ever, in the history of the world.
hold up a second.. I thought Bush won because the fat tards who live where they have nothing to fear from terror (or war or anything else really) were so scared they'd loose their guns, or not go to their Heaven without telling someone else how to be.. was I wrong!??
Dang, I better read all the comments and learn the truth, from the wizards of Best and Worst :p
by Jyl on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:07pm
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Counciltucky can i ask you a serious question? What are you smoking?
No, they assume that there are just some racist, nazi, or any other vile word, that were misguided. they don't realize that not only did 60 million people vote for bush, but that 60 million people also rejected what the dummierats had for sale.
Again, Clinton's approval numbers were higher than Bush's, the strong 3rd party candidate, Perot, took a large percentage of the vote. Thinking of it another way, Clinton beat Dole by 8% points and Bush I by 5.5% points, compared to 3% that Bush won by.
Never ceases to amaze how the WalterPecks can lie and lie.Nothing personal . But i shouldnt be amazed as i know the ins and outs of exactly how brainwashing is accomplished
It's been weeks and people are trumpeting, so proud, how many American adults turned out to cast a vote for George Bush. I mean he's the president, no question.. gloating like proud cocks isn't boosting our country's honor or integrity right now. Take a happy four-year break from thinking of the news :D leave it to the other side to wring our hands over reality.
by Jyl on Thu Nov 18, 04 9:02pm
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Listen, you folks go ahead and keep voting your party without thought (and you know who that applies to). Meanwhile, the younger generation is going to surprise you and both parties because I guess no one was watching when we were educated to be independet thinkers and that party loyalty was not and should not be assumed. In the very near future, candidates on both sides are going to have to do a hell of a lot to get our vote. For example, in the most recent data available on 18 year olds in 2003 registerin for the first time, 65% either indicated that they would, or actually did register as independent. That is why in this election both party's were s*itting bricks about the "undecided." They knew damn well that it meant "independent," but did not want to admit it aloud. All this bickering between Republicans and Democrats is helping no one at all. Look at the person sitting in the Oval office, not the freakin party he or she belongs to!
you know... i do like you patch
it was a fucking con like it probably will be till america wakes up and stops eating bullshit for breakfast! the words ring true but the sense doesnt! you vote a moron for president call it what you want but to me its just a waste of time and people like this will control despite you! i seriously hope patch is right! neitzchwas right god is dead! superstision is all we have left! theres no going back!
Thanks Mobsie! I have to agree with you...so many of my fellow Americans swallow the BS they are spoon fed. I really do think, despite the recent election, that the tide will turn soon. I think W. is going to cause us nothing but heartache and that is maybe what we need so that people wake up...and stay awake!
" Never ceases to amaze how the WalterPecks can lie and lie.Nothing personal . But i shouldnt be amazed as i know the ins and outs of exactly how brainwashing is accomplished "
You obviously didn't read the numbers I put up, BMN. There's no lie in what I said. Of course you can't see it because everything's a conspiracy theory to you.
That statement indicates further that you are mentally deranged.If i could have 5 seconds with any one of you right wingers id beat the shit out of you.U have been done and beaten in every single topic.U have lost and u produce the same shit over and over.The facts are there , they are FACTS and u cant refute them or recognise them and simply ignore them.The term conspiracy theory i s used by the deranged.If you claim a conspiracy theory DERANGED DICKHEAD you are saying that the military, lawyers,FBI , statesman , coppers , judges are conspiracy theorists BECAUSE THATS WHO IS BEING QUOTED
Just 5 seconds alone with any one of you right wing deranged scum
Congressional candidate Jeff Fisher, the FBI, The Green and Libertarian parties , Ralph Nader, BlackBox Voting .org, Greg Palast, Voting Verification Research ar Berkeley ,Zogby International (the most accurate national pollster), Iowa Electronic Markets, Centre for Research On Globalization, Kathy Dopp , Voters Unite and a ton of International Observers who were brought in to scrutinize the election (describing it as Third World ) and University Professors.
The Internet and all foreign media are reporting it BUT NOT THE US MEDIA.Bush is the most unpopular President of all time and it was a landslide victory to Kerry
" I have been told by sources that are fairly high up in the media – particularly TV – that there is now a lockdown on this story ," says Harris. " It's officially ' Let's move on ' time." On Nov. 6, Project Censored Award-winning author Thom Hartmann said, " So far, the only national ' mainstream ' media outlet to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seemed to favor Bush. ..."
Have fun though fucking yourself
^ I rest my case.
You rest what case? Bush did not get 51.1 % of the vote. so you are wrong .
In regards to you though Walter the case rested long ago
" You rest what case? Bush did not get 51.1 % of the vote. so you are wrong . " " In regards to you though Walter the case rested long ago. "
Yes he did get 51.1% of the vote. The "case" I'm referring to is your penchant for conspiracy theories.
Better than an addiction to bullshit which you suffer from, Walter. Tell me again how you believe that burning jet fuel and building materials can burn hot enough to melt steel. Give me another laugh.
He didnt get 51.1 % of the vote.Proven fact.And you have been unable to refute any of those facts proving it
And there is not one conspiracy theory ive stated belief in on this site
Your penchant for ignoring and addressing proven facts is a case that rests
It doesnt mean everything being said about the election being rigged is true.Some claims are dubious or wait to be confirmed, some things were legitimate mistakes and errors that would have worked against Bush as well as Kerry and are to be epected and much is hopeful thinking by some but there is that which is not open to speculation or mere error and is clear fact .
You've all been duped. This election was decided in a boardroom in Riyadh, Saudia Arabia.
Dictatorship: It's not just for Arabs anymore.
cretin: Might I draw your attention to Ballot #57707? Calling people fools, while cathartic, rarely results in them suddenly seeing your point, in my experience.
That's because they are fools, Cathexis. Ha ha.
now dont be foolish cretin!
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Okay RepublicanRightWing, if that is how you feel. Though I don't think my opinions are "retarded" as you state. I also think you are being premature in classifying yourself as one of the grown ups.
Funny, I get messages all the time from liberal and conservative users alike and the one thing all those messages have in common is that they complimented me on my opinions.
If you feel you need to berate me to feel like a man, by all means, have at it. Funny how a 16 year old got to you though, isn't it?
And, you have 2 usernames that I know of
Republican_Rightwing and then one without the dashes. Wonder how many others you have??
And another thing RightWing, if you did not want me to write in your ballots, WHY did you send me a message to my userpage telling me to go check out your most recent posting to me in this ballot? I think it's because you are trying to drum up publicity for yourself. Plus, you admitted on Mobsie's page that you are using several alias names to drive up your karma on other names. What game are you playing at?
I think it only fair to tell you that 2 users have reported this to LCD, so your plan my backfire on you. :)
Heya patch22us:
You went on and on with all your name dropping and bragging about how rich and powerful your family is, and how everyone you knew was absolutely hypocritical in associating with those selfsame names. And this was supposed to impress ... who? It just shjows that you are what you finally admit: a 16 year old kid who thinks, like all 16 year old kids, that s/he has the world figured out.
And you are liberal. Very few kids aren't, and so it's no surprise that you are flabbergasted at the disproportionate results of the election to the stance of your high-dollar prep school buddies. Probably you will be liberal when your first presidential vote comes along. I know I was. I voted for Clinton in his first term. But if you aren't a complete idiot you will realize that you didn't know everything at some point. At the least you'll slide to the middle, and if you aren't sheltered from the real world you'll probably develop a little moral fiber and respect for conservative ideals.
Of course the leading politicians don't care about the average Joe. No adult assumes they do. We vote based on policy. You know: politics.
I'm an independent, and choose to vote in every election besides the presidential because I hated both candiadates. He's right, many Americans felt that Bush was being treated unfair. It seemed that Kerry wasn't making promises on policies but bashing on Bush.
With that said the real reason why Bush won was that Kerry was never trusted by the poeple, his war record being openly questioned and unproveable to many lead them to go to the allready proven (For better or for worst) President Goerge W. Bush.
I'm a Democrat, and I think we lost because our party at the national level is a bunch of weak-kneed Republican wanna-be's. While the right formulates a strong (if messed-up) vision, Democrats just complain about it. It's time our party's leaders stopped moving right to capture a few swing votes.
And, for you Bush lovers out there, notice that liberals actually question and criticize their own leaders. It's called democracy, you should try it out sometime.
People are sick of the Democratic Party and how they make mock Middle American values. All the Democrats do is talk about how abortion is so great and everyone should have abortions - that pisses off a lot of people. They are sick of having it shoved in their face all the time. It's not that the Republicans are so great, but they are the only alternative to a party that is just so radically pro-abortion, that people have nowhere else to go. It seems like every time you turn on TV, you have that Barbara Boxer lady talking about how we need more abortions, and this-and-that, and she is just so damn shrill and rude and mean that people in Middle America are like, what the hell are you talking about, you don't even come close to representing my values. Maybe if the Democrats stopped mocking average people they would have a chance. A lot of people were not thrilled with Bush because of the war but the Bush-bashing and the pro-abortion stuff really backfired on the Democrats.
As much as you see Kerry on the polotical talk shows now days always quick to give his opinion, I'm not too sure some of them even know that they lost.
Cathexis, your wrong here the number of counties voting for Bush was around 80 percent, & your seem so offended you couldn't see what he was saying, the Democrats cost themselves the election by going so far to the left.
yeah? they should have tried harder for votes from The Stupid? .... "do they realize why?" - well look around you and see ;)
by Jyl on Thu Mar 31, 05 11:18am
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Because Bush committed electoral fraud again. But I don’t care the democrats are just as bad as the republicans. In fact I agree Kerry was a douche bag and that fraud Michael Moore couldn’t have helped.
by seon on Sun Jul 10, 05 10:37pm
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