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* gayS
I don't know what the deal is with pedophiles.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:25pm
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I don't care if they are born with it or not, it's wrong
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:27pm
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Whats the reasoning behind that comment?
There's a difference. Homosexuality is usually done between consenting mature people; pedophilia involves children, who legally are not considered able to consent to sexual activity.
But there might be a genetic predisposition to pedophilia, though that doesn't make it right. It's considered a mental illness (which, ironically, homosexuality used to be).
LudwigVan answered for me
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:33pm
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homosexuals are as you said between adults, and I hope I never live to see the day that pedophiles get that same status.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:34pm
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do you need to ask the reasoning behind it?
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:36pm
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USMC
Yes, thats how a conversation/ debate works. You cant just say " its WRONG" with no explanation
Ludwigvan
" But there might be a genetic predisposition to pedophilia, though that doesn't make it right. It's considered a mental illness (which, ironically, homosexuality used to be). "
Why is it ironic? Surely its ironic that homosexuality ISNT considered a mental illness, when paedophilia is?
And if you both agree that paedophiles may be naturally inclined to BE paedophiles, then why have you voted for the WRONG choice? You should have voted that they were a natural part of society
I don't think this question has been answered yet, but I think most believe that paedophiles themselves were victims of child abuse. It may not even be sexual abuse but some particular trauma they experienced as a child, which killed the child in them. Therefore, the attraction to children exists in the paedophile because his or her own childhood was stolen.
sexual acts between adults and children. NO it does not need to be debated. There is no justification for it.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:51pm
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It may be mental illness, serial killers may have mental illness. That does not mean they should be in society.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:55pm
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some pedophiles say themselves they can not control their sexual desires or acts with children, What do you do? you keep them where they can not harm anyone.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 4:57pm
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In any event, it shouldn't matter so much why they are paedophiles in as far as the question of whether or not they deserve rights. It might be natural to murder for some, as Dahmer claimed; it still does not make it a tolerable activity for society.
EVERYTHING needs to be debated, one mans certainty is another mans mytery
That Mob attitude never helped anyone
And who said aanything about justifying it? Its about UNDERSTANDING it
I don't follow the correlation between gay legislation and paedophiles here. If paedophiles were to marry each other, or if a paedophile were to wait until a child were 18 to carry out their consensual desires, we would not disallow it.
And * HEAVEN FORBID * could paedophiles even be thought of as* ahem* Victims in some way? *GASP!* Victimes of their own childhoods?
MAGS
But then they wouldnt be paedophiles would they?
Im not talking about the legislation, im talking about whether they are inhuman monsters who deserved to be ripped apart by a mob
they may very well be victims, but what do you do with them? I've read reports that most can not stop their desires, what do you want me to say?
should we have a telethon to find a cure?
I'm just saying until they are no longer a risk, they can not be in society.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:09pm
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Sure, they would still be paedophiles if they had such desires but did not act out on them. They just wouldn't be guilty of any crime.
If you weren't talking about legislation, then I don't understand why gays and legislation were brought up in the ballot description.
As to whether or not paedophilia is natural or not, if that really is the question here and you are not trying to imply anything with it, I stand by the statement that it has not been fully determined.
the childrens right not to be molested comes first.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:11pm
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what I am saying magdalenasdollar , they say they do not trust themselves not to act on their disires.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:13pm
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I see what younwere talking about now mags, but the point still stands about legislation too
Being gay is legal, you are asking paedophiles to NOT be paedophiles for it to be legal FOR them to BE paedophiles, i love you but you didnt make sense their fluffy
USMC, I am aware of this. It just seemed to me that Draw was trying to put gays on the same level as paedophiles. It isn't the same. I think you and I agree here.
A law that makes paedophilia legal, as long as they dont do ANYTHING that a paedophile does, is not much of a law is it?
I have a desire to be with nicole kidman, but I'm not going to stalk her or try to force myself on her.The difference, I can control my desires, they admit themselves they can't.
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:16pm
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and yes you are right their is no comparison between gays and pedophiles, that's like comparing all straight people with rapist
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:18pm
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there I mean
by USMC on Thu Nov 18, 04 5:19pm
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Draw, I know you're not really trying to make a law FOR paedophiles. Although you've made the following statement:
Surely its ironic that homosexuality ISNT considered a mental illness, when paedophilia is?
I'm saying it isn't ironic. Gays aren't harmful to children or others. Testing has shown that they aren't mentally ill and that's why homosexuality has been removed from the list of mental illnesses.
Ironic in the sense that both homosexuality and paedophilia are apparently unavoidable personality traits from birth, and are both BIOLOGICALLY unnatural, yet paedophilia is considered a mental illness, when homosexuality isnt.
One rule for one and one for another?
In fact, as much as it makes me shudder to talk about such things, paedophilia is biologically MORE right than homosexuality, in the case of a paedophile and a young girl for instance, as children could result.
Gays could never produce children, the fundamental biological point of our existence
Draw, you said:
both homosexuality and paedophilia are apparently unavoidable personality traits from birth, and are both BIOLOGICALLY unnatural.
Actually the studies on both of these are inconclusive, but many assert that gays are biologically natural/ born that way and that paedophilia is the result of some sort of childhood trauma.
However, neither makes one right nor wrong.
Those with mental illnesses are not able to function in society. Long ago, what we consider now to be paedophilia was considered normal as 12-yr.-old girls were wed to grown men. This is cohesive with your argument, actually, for I'm not totally in disagreement with you, just engaging in discussion. Nowadays it is illegal because we have determined the effects on children to be harmful. So if the paedophile's activities are harmful to society, they are unable to function in it, making them mentally diseased.
Conversely at the time, homosexuality was considered a mental illness. However, they are not harmful. When tested, it was determined that they have no problem functioning in society. As a partial result of Kinsley's and others' studies, homosexuality was removed from the list of mental illnesses.
So you are saying being unable to function " normally " in society is indicative of mental illness?
By that reasoning thieves, robbers, murderers, people who drink and drive, people who speed, people who take illegal drugs and people who embezzle money are all Mentally ill
And what does being " unable" to function in society mean? That people dont like you? Or that you break a law? Or what?
Its so subjective as to be undefinable really isnt it?
Yes, it is.
But that really is one of the ways they determine mental illnesses.
The Kinsley studies cleared up many sexual deviances from being considered abnormal bahaviour because 'Every man's sin is not a sin'.
Incidentally, Draw, you may want to read up on it. I've read of some paedophile cases being associated with a chemical imbalance and after medication, these individuals claimed not to be attracted to children anymore. I don't know how verifiable this is, but it's definitely interesting!!!
God i love you fluffy!
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