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International observers said there was problems with the elections in the ukraine
by USMC on Wed Nov 24, 04 6:15pm
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and of course , no one wants force used against the protesters
by USMC on Wed Nov 24, 04 6:16pm
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My first thought on the matter, BBC.
Force was used against American protesters in New York City during the RNC, I never heard the Bush Administration advise Law Enforcement not to use force against those protesters...It is disingenuous and arrogant for this Administration to warn another country not to employ force against its citizens because there would be consequences in the two contries' relationship...
bbc it would not matter to you what did or didn't happen, international observers said the elections in the ukrain had problems, as to the protesters in ny, they were treated like any other protesters, if they caused problems , they were arrested.
Some were beaten Larry...I know it doesn't matter whether they were or not to you, unless they were someone you care deeply for. Also, keep in mind they were exercising their right to protest. The point is, this matter smells of hypocrisy, a stench well known to many and its been in the air since 2000, engulfing the political nasal passages of those whom are not and never will be immune to the social affects of it all :O)
if you say so,
Well, yeah, I believe I do...I think I did, hmmmm, allow me to read it again...Yep, I did, I mean, I do :O)
even though you are wrong about most things including this.
and even if it did happen, two wrongs don't make a right. nothing at all wrong with a goverment telling another not to use force, police getting out of hand at a protest is different than a federal gov. using force against their people who are protesting, but I don't expect you to get that.
even though you are wrong about most things including this ~ larrynelmira
Most things you say, well now, opposing views certainly doesn't deem someone being wrong "most" of the time. However, you certainly will never get that.
When a Conservative make a valid point, then, and only then will I agree. To do otherwise would be illogical...And the same applies to you, I haven't seen you agree with any of the logical points that the other side have made...However, I am not going to engage in a back and forth with you...I do not find any value in your political ideologue and you don't in mine, so why continue this childish game of who is logical in their political views and who is not? I have said all that I need to, you may continue alone or with someone else...enjoy.
check my comments , I don't always agree with wht conservatives say , infact i do agree with some things liberals say.
My point was, usa or any other country should ask goverments not to harm protesters, this ballot was to promote democracy in the Ukraine, it was just another way for you to bash bush. Talk about what is going on in the Ukraine. If the election not legal as international observers said it wasn't, you should be concerned about that as well.
was not to promote democracy I mean
but hey bbc, lets forget it, you have your views I have mine. I don't want to argue with you.
Well now, I guess I was *wrong* along, I can agree with a Conservative! Hey, you tricked me Larry :-/ hmmmm...
That is totally stupid. I can't understand how that is going to do anything other than blow on the flames of the brewing civil war that is the tinderbox of the Ukraine.
I remember that someone suggested that we have election observers in the US and the right wing f***jobs went crazy. What is the difference here?
I think that not only has Powell lost the world's respect, but he has lost any shred of dignity or integrity that he ever had.
I agree with you progressive regarding Colin Powell...He really should be ashamed. He is such a brilliant man and the idea he would allow a nitwit like Bush to guide him to stupid land blindfolded is bewildering to me...
There is no parallel between ukranian politics and american politics.
Ukranian politics are nothing more than a travesty of a mockery of a shamn, to paraphrase Woody Allen.
American politics are still a long way from that.
*sham*
Hypocrasy comes in many forms. It is especially noticeable when the U.S. government claims to be fighting a war to free the iraqi people from an un-elected violent regime in order to promote free,fair and open elections in a country that has never seen democracy in progress. Yet, mr. bush and mr. kerry absolutely refused to open up their nationally televised debates to third party candidates such as the LIBERTARIANS and the GREENS. These third party political leaders were NOMINATED at national conventions to REPRESENT their supporters in a free and democratic election process, yet mr. bush and mr. kerry didnt seem to realize that free, fair and open elections means that even minority party citizens are entitled to be REPRESENTED by leaders of their choosing.(At least according to those silly documents called the U.S constitution and the bill of rights all people are to be treated equally). Not only did these these two jackasses deny certain minority parties a voice in an open, free and fair election process, they also denied the rest of america an alternative opinion on dozens of important issues pertaining to the direction that america will take in the future.Libertarians, greens, constitutionalists, and independents are all americans who deserve the same right to have their voices heard before the american people, and it should be left up to the american people to decide which party represents their ideas and beliefs. It should not be decided by the democrats and republicans to make that decision for them, as they continue to do.ITS TIME TO HAVE REAL HONEST,FAIR AND OPEN ELECTIONS IN AMERICA SO THAT WE CAN SHOW THE REST REST OF THE WORLD THAT THE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE SOMETHING MORE THAN JUST A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITICAL SOCIALISTS.
There is no parallel between ukranian politics and american politics.
Ukranian politics are nothing more than a travesty of a mockery of a shamn, to paraphrase Woody Allen.
American politics are still a long way from that.
by Freedom_Fries on Nov 25,
Yes, French_Fries, in the USA the corruption and vote rigging is better organized and high tech (do you really trust voting machines with no paper trail or hardcopy record? No sane person would).
This bothers me as well! Who the hell is George W. Bush and his administration to be sticking their damn noses into the Ukraine elections! Wow... does he ever LACK credibility on this one! He is really a pompous as* to think he has the right to even comment on it.
Well now, enough said, well put path22us...
Over the past couple of years the Democratic and Republican parties, along with George Soros and an NGO which I can't remember (sorry) have spent millions of dollars trying to affect the elections in Eastern in Europe. It worked in Georgia and Serbia. Now Ukraine is next. This is why the Western media is giving the velvet revolutionaries an easy ride.
If the demonstrators were in America, they would have to protest in a Free Speech Zone far from anywhere sensitive.
What exsactly was wrong with those elections. I have heard countlessy that they had 'problems' but i have never heard what those problems were? What was 'wrong' with their electoral process. Is the West just mad that the pro-West candidate did not win? I mean werent all the observers Westerners?
Don't be so shocked, EUROTOPIA. Western governments have meddled and interfered with other countries economies and political systems for hundreds of years. Do you think we just gave Africa back to the Africans? Do you think that Middle Eastern regimes start acting up in order to look after their own citizens? I nearly swore there, but just wake up, EUROTOPIA.
Both sides (republicans and democrats) are hypocrites at one time or another and neither ever say they were wrong.. this is another one of those questions that will never be resolved so what is the point of asking? The country is split 50/50 and neither side will compromise
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