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COMMENTS:
Yeah, I'll go with that. It beats working for a living.
makes sence
by ABC on Tue Dec 07, 04 12:01pm
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Be interesting to hear why so many disagree or agree.
Especially in the disagree column...
that tyranny favors them in order to profit from the blindness of men
I agree with the above portion of the quote. For centuries, man has gone to war in the name of GOD and I believe that those who have sought, and do seek to rule by tyranny, continue to do so. To make war on another people and to disguise the agression as a Crusade or as a Jihad, or what ever, is evil, pure and simple. Faith and religious beliefs should never be forced on another person(s) for any reason: to do so, I belive, is to totally negate what GOD stands for. Afterall, if GOD, who is supreme, does not force man to belive in him, what right does a human being have to perpetrate violence and agression on another human in the name of GOD, or in the guise of being done so in the name of GOD.
You make an interesting point, Patch, even if I do disagree with it.
Disagree!? Disagree you say! I will not tolerate dissention. You will fall into line and bask in the light that is my wisdom! If not, I shall have to make war with you in the name of my faith! LOL :)
My God is bigger that your God so there :p
LOL. what part of my comment did you disagree with, or was it the comment overall :)
I do not believe there is an all powerful supreme being, so thats where we diverge in our thinking.
If people choose to believe, who am I to argue with them.
I hear ya! Steel, I've come to learn to not judge anyone else when it comes to religious beliefs. I've had people get so angry at me and ask "how can you believe in GOD when you can't even see him." I don't need to see him because I can sense him every where :)
But I'm no Crusader, so I say c'est lavie! :)
Yep, I agree. Except maybe not just ignorance and fear but also the basic human need to explain things.
Yes Mags, and the human need to blame everything on someone or something else!
How any war could use a God as the reason is beyond me... kill others in God's name? What kind of belief is that? What kind of God is that?
Man. You sure got it right with that statement.
God is both a uniter and a divider. It unites one groupe of people, the it unites another groupe of people, then they have war with each other.
God is believing in something that might not be there. If you set your mind to God then it will help you or it can mess you up.
Steelhamster you sound like one of those people who wanted Iraq bombed using emotional but logic less speeches to push there agenda.You are pushing your atheism by giving a similar statement.The concept of God and religon didnt start at the beginning of time.It was done later through a couple of men starting mainly from Zaroaster and Abraham.Blaming a religon for some of its tyrants is like blaming mickey mouse if something goes wrong at disney.Spirituality is a human need ,its been engraved into us and perhaps it was God himself who did that.How can you possibly blame God and religon for its followers actions ??It seems like you are just looking for an excuse to be an atheist.
If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always find that ignorance and fear created the gods.
Has someone invented a time machine?
I C Dead People.... I merely asked a question, my own thoughts on the truths of religion are not very relevant.
As to my being an athiest, wether I am or not doesnt infringe on your beiefs, so why should a question anger you?
I_c_dead_people I am pretty sure religion didnt start with Abraham and Zaroaster. Perhaps your religion did, but remember christianity and Judaism arent even the first monotheistic religions, let alone the various shamanistic, animistic(excuse spelling) and polytheistic beliefs.
"If we go back to the beginnings of things, we shall always find that ignorance and fear created the gods"
ignorance maybe. I find it reasonable to suggest people gave a face and title to energies they couldn't comprehend: such as the forces that turned summer into winter and back again, or that created new life. Fear I think is slightly less plausible, but still a possibility. Natural disaster might also have been attributed to angering spirits or the Mother Earth etc
"imagination, rapture and deception embellished them"
could be.. could be.. not so sure about deception though. Imaginative ad hoc hypothesising more likely
"weakness worships them"
no. flatly. If Gods were all we had to explain things then it was simply how we explained them. No weakness or strength comes into it. If you apply it to modern day there's still the fact people are RAISED to believe in certain things and concepts. There are situations where I would agree turning to or from God(s) would be a sign of weakness, but not regarding the Gods origins
" custom spares them"
huh ?
"tyranny favors them in order to profit from the blindness of men"
certainly seems that way some times. One doesn't need to look at the history books for long to see how tyrants have used Gods and their associated religions as levers to get what they want
Good point but that doesnt mean there isnt a God, can a houose get built by its self?
by seon on Thu Dec 09, 04 9:38pm
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I didn't say anything about whether there is or isn't a God ;)
i was talking to whoever created the ballot but after reading your post yeah your right you didnt.
by seon on Fri Dec 10, 04 10:26pm
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Like I stated earlier in the comments section. mine isnt to validate or invalidate anyones belief system, I merely posed a question and asked people to make what the will of it.
Hope this clears up any confusion you may have.
religion is how people explain their reason for being here
Pretty much spot on I'd say.
Whether there is a supreme being, I do not know. I have not seen enough to believe in such a concept, but I HAVE seen enough human aspects to comment on the idea of human existence.
I believe in being human, and that our meaning in life is simply to live, not to die and go to heaven. The reason I say this is because living is something we ALL strive for when we are born, without further instruction or teachings. After that, however we are brainwashed is however we grow up to be. But once born, a baby will cry when he's hungry, it will cry when he feels discomfort, and strive to breath and survive the best he can. From a spiritual standpoint, this is called living. From a scientific standpoint, this is called survival. It's our only true meaning in life, and it's the ONLY natural thing we all share before being brainwashed, crossing all barriers of nationality and race.
Our ultimate "goals" in life, on the other hand, are set by ourselves through job aspirations, financial yearnings, and longing for a better existence. But that's all after we've been taught that's how to properly live in our society.
As far as where a supreme being comes in all this, I have to say so far I have no clue. Maybe if I discover something special on my own, I'll start believing in it.
A mixed bag of views...
I'm sure you'll agree a mixed back is far more interesting than a bag of all the same stuff ;) Steelhamster
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