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whether the war is right or wrong, the soldiers (some in national guards) went there and died so we can live comfortably in US. There is a bill right now to increase the death benefits paid to the soldiers from $5k to $100k. Contact your congressmen and tell them to get this law passed, it's the least we can do for the people who lost their children.
Now if we can just extract that money from those who profitted from the war...
by LCD on Mon Jan 31, 05 12:19am
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After the first and second world war romanian soldiers (or their families if they were killed) recieved different benefits (ussualy land, because most of them were peasents). True, they end up being soldiers because it was draft, but I don't see why voluntary soldiers should be treated different. Like LCD said, they were killed so you can live comfortably in US.
my brother joined after 911, so he knew I think what he was getting into, but something happened to him, I would be very angry if someone said, he knew what he was getting into.
did that make sense? I don't think I phrased that right
yeah, he knew he would probably go to war, but like you said , someone has to do it
Some join the army for reasons such as serving their country or its a good career to go into.
Others, however, join the forces to escape poverty. I know when I joined up in the 80s, many of my comrades camefrom Liverpool, Manchester and many other cities in the north, blighted by the devastation meated out on them by the Tory (conservative) Government under Margaret Thatcher.
I dont trulybelieve that many of them (usually young men) have any true idea of what can happen, given they are still fairly immature and somewhat naive.
Dingleberry is correct to be angry when people say 'they knew what they were signing up for'.
That is like saying passengers on a plane that crashed, knew the risks when they got on the plane, it does not preclude their families from seeking compensation.
steel maybe those who joined before 911 , but I think most who go in us military now, have a pretty good idea that they will probably end up in a war zone
I joined the army and went to Iraq, but I got the right hump when this bloke tried to blow me up with an improvised roadside bomb. I never would have believed that fighting Bush's illegal wars could be so dangerous.
one sided answers as usual
It's true. A parent can't take claim over their child's actions once their 18. They're not children anymore their adults and they make their own decision. If I had a son I would of course try to steer them in the right direction. However, I cannot tell him what to do after he's 18. It's an ugly business doing ones duty in the military, but they know what they are expected of once they join. If they don't want to be shot at or risk death then they shouldn't have joined the military. Thank GOD for the troops we have now. If you love your freedom then thank a soldier.
If they die, idiot Bush is to blame.
That is like saying passengers on a plane that crashed, knew the risks when they got on the plane, it does not preclude their families from seeking compensation.
by Steelhamster on Jan 31, 2005
Exactly!
They join because they get sold on this Horseshit propaganda that the government buys from Madison avenue..wanna see the truth? go visit your local VA hospital..ask THEM what's the heroic part.Ask THEM if they feel they got tricked/lied to/cheated or if they knew what they were signing on for...
Im not really sure they do Larry, or even if they have a choice.
If its a life of poverty, perhaps leading to crime or the armed forces, it could be no choice at all.
RawIron says the comments are one sided, since when does getting information from people who have actually been in combat and know the reasons why many join up, 'one sided'?
Would you rather have the sugar coated version?
It's not the same as saying 'fuck them'. It's the same as saying they were rational adults who made a choice with their own lives, and are able to accept the consequences.
There was a time in the US when this concept of personal responsibility was viewed as the norm. Those days are long past, and now we have people like you come on here and tell everyone that no, people aren't responsible for their own choices, it's always someone elses fault.
What about those soldiers who aren't the idiot children you think they are? What about the ones who signed up and said to themselves, yeah I might die and I accept that risk under my own free will?
What I can't understand is how people are always saying the soldiers are "Fighting for my freedom and a better life" here". Am I the only one who sees this as an utterly false phrase used by those that feel guilty about not going to fight and think of the Iraqi War on the same level as WWII or even the Revolution?
If anything, the fact that our country invaded another country, has made more people hate us, has spawned and will continue to spawn more terrorists and I guarantee there will be another large scale terrorist attack in this country that was begun because of the hatred the US has fostered because of their invasion.
I have sympathy for the soliders, they are in a shitty situation they were not aware of and most had no other options, I would like them safe but we need to face the facts that them being over there has nothing to do with preserving my freedom. If anything, it has encroached upon it because of the need to crack down on everything for National Security's sake.
It's a fucked up situation all over but they ARE NOT protecting my freedom in anyway whatsoever.
I agree with Dingleberry on this one even though they may have knew what could have happened it in no way makes up for the loss of life and anyone who says it does is really selfish and cold hearted or has never known whats its like when someone you love is dead!
steel, my brother was not in poverty or those other things you said
anyone who joins when we are in war with two countries, must know whats up,
don't think you should assume all these recruits are ignoarant of what is going on in the world
ignorant
but it fits your image of americans, so guess you would think that
no, they might not think they would be killed, most young people don't think of themselves being dead, but I think they knew they might be sent to a war zone
I want the troops home too, I'm just saying.
steel , sorry if that sounds like I am being disrespectful toward you and dingleberry, because that was not my intention, but it just sounded like you were assuming young americans are ignorant or something.
ps, dingleberry, you took everything I said out of context. I did not mean to say, they knew they might be killed, my bro is there, I know better than that, I was saying , he knew he would probably be sent to a war zone. Sorry if that makes you angry that I feel he thinks that. But my brother is no poverty stricken dummy, and I'm not going to say that about him or the other troops in Iraq and Afghanistan
can't please all of the people all of the time, and I stopped trying
even though they may have knew what could have happened it in no way makes up for the loss of life and anyone who says it does is really selfish and cold hearted or has never known whats its like when someone you love is dead!
by Kisty on Feb 09, 2005
I'm sure not saying that kisty, I do not believe we should even be in Iraq, I do more than hanging yellow ribbons , I'm involved in several projects for our troops, you have no idea the respect I have for them, would never just dismiss their death like those people dingleberry mentioned do.
Many soldiers signed up to earn money for college or learn career skills without expecting a war. I once considered joining the military in order to get paid for learning to use a gun and survive in the wild instead of having to pay money for lessons, but I don't like authority.
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