WILL BUSH ACKNOWLEDGE SCIENCE RE: GLOBAL WARMING?

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WILL BUSH ACKNOWLEDGE SCIENCE RE: GLOBAL WARMING?


[+] serious ballot by Cathexis
created Mon Feb 21, 05

Scientists have found unequivocal links between man-made greenhouse gases and a dramatic heating of the Earth's oceans. The researchers (many funded by the US government) have seen what they describe as a "stunning" correlation between a rise in ocean temperature over the past 40 years and pollution of the atmosphere.

The study destroys a central argument of global warming skeptics within the Bush administration -- that climate change could be a natural phenomenon.

The findings are crucial because much of the evidence of a warmer world has, until now, been from air temperatures. However, it is the oceans that are the driving force behind the Earth's climate. One lead researcher said: "Over the past 40 years there has been considerable warming of the planetary system and approximately 90 per cent of that warming has gone directly into the oceans."

"We had several computer simulations, for instance one for natural variability"

"We looked at the possibility that solar changes or volcanic effects could have caused the warming -- not a chance. What just absolutely nailed it was greenhouse warming."

It should convince George Bush to drop his objections to the Kyoto treaty on climate change, the scientists say.

Do you believe it will convince George Bush to drop his objections?

Yes: Bush will acknowledge Global Warming due to man's actions and join the fight to halt this.
No: Bush will exercise denial and spin to ignore these findings.
Uncertain
No, Bush is too stupid.


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Note: The study has not been published, yet, but involved scientists from the US Department of Energy, the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, and the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, as well as the Met Office's Hadley Center.
by Cathexis on Mon Feb 21, 05 3:18pm [+]

I don't really think GWB makes his own decisions. I think they made him a nice rubber stamp and every time a bill passes his desk it is either lone or accompanied by a jolly rancher. The bills with the jolly rancher get stamped and the others are shredded.
by ThisIsNate on Mon Feb 21, 05 3:21pm [+]

Not really, everygirl. Consider that, a month ago, parts of the country were having major heat waves, with temps ten to twenty degrees above normal. This planet's spinning apart at the seams, and Mister Bush just wants to stick his thumbs in his ears and ignore the chorus. He must be one of those lucky people, who can take a deep breath when he walks out the door.
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Feb 21, 05 4:31pm [+]

A decade ago we were to be destroyed by global cooling, a new iceage. Twenty years ago the line was that oil would be gone within the decade.

They lose some credibility by completely changing their opinion on why the sky is falling every ten years.

Besides which: how does this include the corresponding global warming going on right now on mars? And of course it's based on an idea that is absolutely wrong: that there is some ideal temperature that the world was always at until we showed up. Which is of course ludicrous.
by herzog on Mon Feb 21, 05 7:31pm [+]

But doom on us if we're wrong. Maybe nuclear war won't take out exactly EVERYONE. Does that mean we should have nuclear war?

Besides, do you think all the hurricanes that hit Florida last year were not caused by global warming? How many will it take this year? Maybe I should move to Venus to get used to the temperature.
by xxxxxxxx on Tue Feb 22, 05 12:38am [+]

herz: You're welcome to publish your study, refuting that of these scientists.
by Cathexis on Tue Feb 22, 05 8:03am [+]

I don't have to, the same scientists who are now saying global warming will kill us all published the reports stating quite clearly that global cooling will kill us all not too long ago.

And I already posted the mars global warming article.
by herzog on Tue Feb 22, 05 8:39am [+]

herz: And I already pointed out that this was a spurious factoid: You imply that the causes are the same or linked, which has not been proven.
by Cathexis on Tue Feb 22, 05 10:14am [+]

Global warming is a complex mechanism: there will be warming in some areas, cooling in others. There will be more precipitation in some areas and drought in others. Dismissing the phenomena by taking an overly simplistic approach doesn't make the problem go away, though.
by Cathexis on Tue Feb 22, 05 10:16am [+]

So the fact that global warming is occuring simultaneously and at the same rate on two seperate planets is irrelevent?

Funny, I'd say that has alot more science behind it than some of the more popular global warming theories, like the one that .3% of the manmade greenhouse gases are going to be responsible for ending all life on earth.
by herzog on Tue Feb 22, 05 10:37am [+]

herz: I'd have to check the Mars info, but there is not a proven correlation. That falls under "bears further investigation." And, sorry to say, if you've gotten this off some Rightwing site, the "science" will be as suspect as that of the Tobacco companies who urged that cigarettes were good for you.
by Cathexis on Tue Feb 22, 05 1:37pm [+]

I'm looking foward to reading details of the study this ballot mentions; it asserts definitive proof of anthropic causes.
by Cathexis on Tue Feb 22, 05 1:39pm [+]






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