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Sorry to get all orderly on ya. Just don't want anyone giving you crap about putting it in the wrong spot. I'll repost the comments for ya.
"No offense Cathexis my friend, but you ARE a liberal. Still love ya, man! ;) "- by Dad2DaBone
Thanks Nate!
"Leftie. But, to be fair, I think he has plenty of experience seeing life from the right. I think that is why he claims centrist status, but he is not what I call a "cookie cutter" Democrat. "- by TheDoof
Remember folks this is not whether you feel that Cathexis is openminded. The question is do you feel his views have proven to be LEFT, RIGHT or CENTER!
"I think Cathexis thinks for himself and does not align himself with a political party line." -by Nico_b
"I think he is center for the most part and I think he is very open minded and fair. The reality is that he considers all view points carefully before making a statement. If after considering all the facts and opinions, he happens to have more of a liberal leaning opinion of his own, that's the way it works. Being unbiased simply means considering all the information with an open mind and then expressing a viewpoint.
Being unbiased doesn't mean waffeling and not actually conveying an opinion--it means first being fair and impartial before expressing one's views. I think that is what Cathexis does, so that is why I value his opinions so highly." -by patch22us
Nate - Great Karma coming your way for helping me get this cleaned up. Thanks!
"Depends on his monthly PMS mood." -by runyonbybirth
Don't worry bout it. Just helping paps.
Nico b - "I think Cathexis thinks for himself and does not align himself with a political party line."
I would agree, but that is really not my question. It seems that almost every single view he has comes down on the LEFT, so if he's thinking for himself he needs to admit that he's left and not center at all! JMHO
NOTE!
If anyone ends up wanting to rate one of the comments on this ballot DO NOT rate me LOL! You're gonna have to go to the userpage of the person who authored it originally. I just noticed that. It's kinda a points trap.
Im not too clued in to American politics, I know a small amount but not enought for me to hold my own in a debate, so I tend to steer clear, hoever, thats doesnt stop me from reading them. With that, I am inclined to go with the answer given by patch22us, Ive always found him to be fair, non offensive, and of his own opinion.
MOJO - I know how you feel about Cathexis but, that isn't what I was asking. I'm just asking whether you feel his views are LEFT, RIGHT or CENTER. I am also not asking you to put a label on him either, just his views. They ALL seem to be on the left to me. Thanks for your comments and I agree with most of them!
he's left, sorry Cathexis. I have yet to see a conservative point of view ballot. It's not to say he ISN'T impartial, but he needs to DISPLAY it more so that people can get a better interpretation of it.
Thanks Smoothtalk - I was wondering if it was just me for a minute there. I too have yet to see anything that would indicate he had any/many conservative positions. Virtually ALL of his ballots make him look like a STRONG lefty.
I feel that there is no other choice than to say he is left leaning. To be in the middle of the road you would have to side with the right sometimes as well. That said, I have heard him mention positive things about conservatism in it's purest form, but still definitely nothing good to say about any of today's conservative policies that I have read. I would say he is fair and willing to hear an opposing opinion, though.
Ceejjj - I thinks he listens well too but, consistently comes down on the side of the left. I have yet to see any proof that Cathexis is willing to defend anyone expressing a conservative point of view or willing to criticise someone that is taking a liberal point of view. All of which makes him a liberal whether anyone really wants to admit that fact or not. Again - I really don't care except for the fact that I really don't care MORE to hear how middle the road someone is when in-fact they are anything but! Cathexis may be a nice person and VERY intelligent and all that good stuff but, from what I can see he is STILL liberal in almost every aspect of his stated beliefs! looking back on his ballots, anyone saying that he is in the "center" of the political spectrum is simply delusional!
I don't know about political stuff but Cathexis is definately the most smartest user on this site. His comments, most of the time are absolutely correct. He is also kind and very well mannered with a great sense of humor. He is one of those few users who definately deserve the title of "All Knowing".
VERY left wing, hence the title all knowing. Also, Cathexis defends political correctiveness to the point of ignorance, not something a right winger or even centrist would do.
woops, all powerful, my mistake. But, as I said, to get to that point, and still have karma higher than Guardian, you can't be a conservative thinker here, you'll get bashed down
Hey Man - "Cathexis is definately the most smartest user on this site."
I see your point! :)
However - Again this is NOT about how nice Cathexis is or how much he's meant to you or whether he's "most smartest" or any of that. It's about which side of the political fence he falls!
When Cathexis sees this ballot, he's gonna blush so bad that even the other users will see it as a reddish tinge on their screen.
Cathexis is straight down the middle with a broad peripheral vision. He refuses to wear partisan blinders, which is why he is such a rare species.
A bit left
I can't go with the centrist without blinders theory. I agree he may not have blinders on, but he is definitely anti-modern conservative and I don't see equal critisism towards liberals. This to me is left. Centrist would be equally critical and agreeable toward both sides and that I just don't see.
The sooner people get over the whole artificial liberal/conservative divide the better.
Cretin_slap said what I was trying to say.
by mojo on Fri Feb 25, 05 6:49am
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My first impulse, when I was readingthis, was along that of cretin_slap's: Interesting how we have such strong needs to assign the right label. After all ... we have to know with whom we agree or disagree, and by how much.
As for my ballots ... I tend to rail against things I see that I believe are wrong. Who is in position to do more ... the Right or Left? The Right has almost all of the Power, at present (IMO), thus that may be one reason I tend to rail against them the most.
I don't try to categorize myself, because I know that I don't fit perfectly with any camp. Plus, I find that trying to label myself (as I did when I was a NeoConservative) risks blinding me to what might be Truth by laying out for me "What is acceptable, according to the Party Line."
Also promotes the idea that we should rather focus on winning the struggle of ideas. Oh yeah - The terrorists will want to sit right down and talk "ideas"!?
{sigh} Db2, I am not talking about negotiating with terrorists. I am talking about seriously working at talking with teh Middel-Eastern peopel who make up the recruiting grounds for the terrorists. If one successfully undermines their suppoprt, then recruiting and financing dry up.
and because you refuse to send me a naked photo of yourself which clearly must be due to the fact that I am a repubican. I think....wait..yes, yes I am.. I think..
Lets see if I can do theeese...OK Cath sits on the political fence with his feet dangling on the left hand side...
Was that gold star material?^^
Shameless plug: I might direct your attention(s) to my article in LO.com: Apologies of a Reformed NeoCon.
This article offers insights into my own gradual disillusionment with and eventual philosophical break from the labels of the Far Right.
Note also: As I have said repeatedly ...
* All Republicans are not Conservative
* All Conservatives are not NeoConservatives
When we casually toss labels around, there is a tendency to simplify and generalize.
That being said, I am strongly against the NeoConservative philosophies.
Center, I think Cath has put alot of thought into politics and has come to the conclusion that catigorizing ones self makes no sence and trusting any political party is foolish and he weighs his opinions based on the what he thinks makes sence unfortunatly all the info we have to work with is biased propaganda that we must all endure.
by ABC on Fri Feb 25, 05 10:09am
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ceej: Regarding equally critical ...
If one wants to play sides, yes ... I agree.
If one doesn't give a damn about sides, they just address the actual issues. If I am complaining more about one "side" maybe they are in a position where they are doing more wrong.
Also, please do not equate NeoConservatism (which I am against) with Conservatism, nor "The Right" with the Republican Party.
I like Republicans and can respect a lot fo what they (used to) stand for. I am against the extremists who have hijacked the party and convinced so many that it is still the same Republican Party.
I strongly disagree with any notions of "equal time." I prefer to call each situation as I see it ... and whoever is at fault being held accountable.
A true Centrist, IMO, does not agree with the Far Right half the time and the Far Left the other half ... he/she disagrees with most of both groups, almost all of the time.
If/when the Far Left gains as much power as the Far Right currently does, we'll get to test those waters.
My feeling is that Cathexis sees the rediculousness of the current party system and labeling. I have to admit I don't know the difference between Left and Right - because I fail to see the sense of it. I have values and beliefs that I'm sure go to both ends of the spectrum. As Cathexis said, there are aspects of his leanings that have not been discussed. I guess by your definition you would be correct in saying he is Left - but that is like descibing an iceberg based on what you see from the surface.
I think that the Guest of Honor said it best.
He's to the left, but not too far.
But he's not very partisan, which is a plus.
Zig - "Cathexis is straight down the middle with a broad peripheral vision. He refuses to wear partisan blinders, which is why he is such a rare species."
Perhaps I'm lost here, Zig! How can you say he's straight down the middle when virtually EVERY ballot and comment he makes shows very clearly his views are on the left (even far left) end of the spectrum? C'mon!
Cathexis is intelligent, warm, willing to listen to others and a gentleman, but, he is NOT in the center with his politics!
Show me one single ballot that he has made where he's critical of someone or something on the left. He complains about the right almost constantly and blames them for everything from global warming and an illegal war to running "smear" ads against the left-leaning AARP. However, when I asked him if he could give me just ONE example of the left running "smear" ads against the right, he never even bothered responding.
The ONLY people on this Site that can possibly look at his record of ballots and still try to call him "unbiased" or "middle of the road" in his politics are people that are of the same mind as he - left or even far left and want to help him keep up this masquerade!
Calling Cathexis "middle of the road" with his politics is like calling the Pope Jewish! PLEEEEASE!
Cretin - My friend I think I know what you're trying to say but, I have to say that this issue is far from being "artificial". IMHO it's VERY real! The "label" of right and left are very real and very "fair" to use when discussing political issues. It's OK to be either left or right, liberal or conservative but, it's not all right to present yourself as one thing when you're really another.
I know what you're say though and I agree with it's sentiments. We ALL (both left and right) would be much better off if we didn't allow the "labels" to alienate us from each other and any constructive discourse and ability to find common ground! I agree completely!
Just look folks - Cretin and I just found common ground. See it can be done. LOL!
thc - Thanks for your honesty!
Cathexis - C'mon man! You're STILL in denial! The "it's because the Republicans are in power" defense for your continual efforts to post nothing but liberal styled ballots and comments is offensive. You mean to tell me that over the last 4 years there has not been a single liberal issue or person that you can find to take exception with/to? ALL your issues are with Republicans or conservatives? What? Perhaps your argument that you're "center" in your politics would be more believable if you would just once in a while post ANYTHING that comes close to resembling a conservative point of view. Until that happens on a more even basis, I will continue to have to refer to you as a liberal in disguise/denial!
Now, let's take a good look at some of your "unbiased" opinions.
1) Cath: "It (Bush's SS Program) is still a forced government plan"
NOT! It would be completely VOLUNTARY and you know it! So, for you to sit here and pretend that the government would "force" people to participate (and "pour" their money into) is nothing more than an outright LIE! Sorry!
2) "It will change the SS program from an insurance program to an investment program"
This is another outright LIE! SS in it's present form is NOT an insurance policy and is NOT guaranteed in any form or fashion! PERIOD! Cathexis - If you are as smart as people want to give you credit for being, you should know this stuff! Show me where SS is guaranteed by anything or anyone. That is the biggest load of crap! That is just what liberals like to run around saying to frighten people that Bush is trying to take a "guaranteed" program away from them. OK - I'm calling you out here, Cath! Show me anything that says SS is insured by anything or anyone! Whom the hell do you think can insure something that big? The FDIC? It's NOT! That line comparing SS with insurance is the "typical" liberal "speak" and YOU just used it! It's also a LIE!
As if lying about SS being an "insurance" policy isn't enough, you continue on and say this:
"But this *scheme* Bush is touting is a way to bilk the Masses."
Nice word (scheme) to use there, Amigo! OK - So, now you're saying that his SS Reform plan is meant to rip off the common man! What? First WHY would he (or any President) ever want to to rip off the common man and end up going down in history as some "fraud". Second - And I repeat here - The program is VOLUNTARY! No one will be FORCED to do anything they do not want to do. If you don't want to participate DON'T! If you don't mind, I think I will since the market over the last 20 - 30 years has outperformed ANY investment you can find. And that is including the great tech "bubble burst" that occurred several years back. I would ask you as someone that portends to be in the middle of the road, to stop LYING to people about Bush's SS Reform Plan! It's VOLUNTARY and you know it, Cath!
When referring to whether he is against big business - Cathexis admits
"Hell yeah! Because they tend to be rife with corruption. Maybe you enjoy being bent over the old apple barrel, but I do not."
They ALSO just so happen to provide most Americans with their jobs! LOL! As to them being "rife" with corruption, I would have to point out that better than 90% of the big businesses have been run in a very honest and above board manner. The WorldComs, Enrons and Global Crossings represent a very small % of the big business community and YOU know this as well. But rather than keep things in proper perspective, you AGAIN resort to typical liberal "speak" and try to put ALL big businesses in one big category. Cath? You want to talk about using labels? What the hell are YOU doing, Slick? I know - I know - ALL big business is bad and only here to "scheme" against the common man and rip off all our money! Right? I guess you must have changed your opinion of the AARP, eh? They happened to be the BIGGEST of the BIG, my friend! Are they rife with corruption? The far-left, anti-big business, party line diatribe is old and cliche! Get over it!
Cath: "Tell me, D2B ... are you telling me that corruption is a Conservative value?"
No Sir, you're right - It is NOT. Prosecuting THAT corruption like what is going on now, IS! You need to ask your question to those that presided over the era in which saw the WorldComs and Enrons and Global Crossings come to power - Ahhhhhh, that would be the Clinton administration!
On the matter of the "swift boat" ads. Cath:
"True. Liars and weasels are liars and weasels ... no matter what political flag they wrap themselves in."
So, basically you're calling over 200 swift boat vets LIARS! Is that right, Cath? Why is it that you don't have a problem with Kerry and his few friends running around claiming that Kerry is a hero but, you not only don't want over 200 other decorated swift boat vets to tell THEIR side of the story? Keeping them quite isn't enough for you - Hell - You have to go on to even call these brave American soldiers LIARS! You should be ashamed! They have just as much right to express their views as does Kerry's group! PERIOD! Fair is Fair! Right Cath?
On the issue of the devaluation of the dollar -
Cath: *Yep - right again. There is a possibilkity that a fine balancing act could diminish the real cost of deficits and debt by about 1/3rd, but the risks are horrendous.*
Here's a news break for you, Cath. The White House does NOT determine this country's monetary policy - The FED does! And don't hit me with that "oh yeah, but don't you think that the President can make the Fed do whatever he wants" crap either. If you think the Fed can be controlled like that, I would suggest you talk to George Bush Sr. LOL! When Sr needed Greenspan to make a few adjustments during his campaign and that would have REALLY helped him out, Greenspan basically just said "Screw you, Mr. President"!
P.S. A weak dollar isn't always a bad thing and I actually liked it (it's strengthening now) a great deal for our economy! The same way I liked the Bush tax break that really got the economy going again!
On the topic of wasteful military spending - Cath:
"Um yes ... and many Republican fiscal conservatives are with me on this, including Dick Cheney ... before he became VP."
So, obviously he doesn't agree with you now, eh? Could it be that something has changed since he became VP? Hmmmmm? Let me think for a minute will you? Oh yeah - Like 911 for example. C'mon Cath! 911 changed everything and once again YOU know that!
About talking with people in the middle east (terrorists) - Cath:
"I am talking about seriously working at talking with teh Middel-Eastern peopel who make up the recruiting grounds for the terrorists."
First - You mean we have never tried talking to them seriously BEFORE now? LOL! Not only have we but, we are currently giving them (many of their host countries) millions of dollars in aid and assistance and what did/does it get us? One word my friend - Can you say *ATTACKED!*?
The "people" of the middle east don't make up the recruiting grounds for the terrorists, Cath! The vast majority are very wonderful and kind people. The terrorists come from a small "sect" of radicals that have hijacked the Islamic Religion and are raising an entire generation (sending them to hate schools) to hate and want to kill anyone that does not believe the same way as do they (especially Americans). They CANNOT be won over by talk or anything else. They want us all DEAD! Unfortunately, the only thing these people understand is violence and that is the way we must deal with them or they will continue to deal with us on THEIR terms (911 style).
Go talk all you want but, until you get them to agree that people that believe differently from them STILL deserve to live, I will continue to believe that we have NOTHING to talk about with them. NOTHING!
Well - I see this ballot got some good old fashioned discussion going and that was it's intent.
Thanks to everyone for participating and voicing their views! Wonderful debate and this kind of give and take is what makes us (the free world) great!
Thanks again! Cath? I love ya man but, if you want to be considered somewhat of a "moderate" I would suggest you become a bit more "moderate" in your ballots and comments. Until I see that happen - You're a liberal in denial! ;)
Cath: "I don't know where you got your info but, I think that is bunk. The cold war ended because of the economics ... and their quagmire in Afghanistan played a large part in that ... not any Star Wars."
You're right Cath - The Cold War DID end because of economics. The Soviets tried to match Reagan's military build-up and it bankrupted their system of government. You know - That build up that all the Euros and American liberals like John Kerry and all were railing against saying it was the buildup to WWIII? LOL! Mikhail Gorbachev later stated that the final straw was when Reagan went public with his "Star Wars" initiative. You see the Soviets actually believed it might soon become a reality (even though it was no were close at the time) and knew if that were true, they were in trouble. It was the straw that broke the camel's back, it was NOT the only reason they fell. You see - The part of negotiating (talking) with an enemy that liberals will NEVER "get", is that you don't do so from a position of weakness. You do so from a position of strength! Reagan not only understood this, he manufactured it when it wasn't even really there - Star Wars! ;)
I would suggest a bit more reading on this topic might help!
Whoa! Damn good debate everyone. Especially, YOU Cath! I enjoyed it greatly but, I now must get back to being just the fun loving, easy going guy with the great sense of humor you have all come to know and love! LMAO!
I'm about "poly-ticked" out!
Time to head for Buffetland! Peace to all (even you my liberal friend, Cathexis...LOL)!
P.S. Mojo - I still love you too sweetie!
No matter how this ballot was viewed or how it was rated - It is "by far" my favorite to date because of the "raw" emotion it brought forward from most everyone. Damn - I just love when people speak with their hearts and souls whether we agree or not!
I think I might be falling in love with some people on this Site but, I'm not telling which ones and you can't make me! ROTFLMAO!
Cathexis is not as vicious as many of the far left users on this site, he does give evidence and commentary that make some sense. Basically he hates Republicans but not necessarily conservatives.
WHAT?!?
I hate Republicans?!?!?
Um, I have to uncategorially refute that, danny. Wherever did you get that impression?
I do not hate Republicans. I do not hate Conservatives. If you peruse comments during the election, you will find that I spent a lot of time warning people with anti-Bush sentiments not to make such generalizations.
I do hate NeoConservative policies. And I do strongly disagree with people who espouse NeoConservative policies.
This is one of my major complaints: Too many people seem to think that disagreement with any of their viewpoints indicates hatred of their entire political party ... which, in turn, gives them license to hate back.
It just isn't so.
^ In reference to danny_mack's assertion that I am not as vicious ...
Cathexis: *WHAT?
I hate Republicans?
Um, I have to uncategorially refute that, danny. Wherever did you get that impression?*
ROTFLMAO! Geeeez, Cath! I can't imagine where he'd get that kind of impression. LOL! ;)
D2B: Seriously, neither can I.
Do you really think that if I disagree with a person, I hate them?
Do you hate everyone who disagrees with you?
I'd like to add in something to support what Dad2DaBone's theory about Cathexis being quite liberal. I have seen him take numerous pot shots at Fox News for their conservative viewpoints, yet I haven't seen him say anything about the Washington Post or Newsweek, two very left biased publications that are far more liberal than Fox is conservative. A liberal would not have a problem with that, hence my conclusion : )
Jappy - Very good point Amigo!
Jappy - Nor did he utter a single word of complaint (that I can find) about the Dan Rather issue. He wants to call USA Next's ads aimed at the AARP "smears", but doesn't say a thing About Rather's "hit piece" on George W. Bush that was based entirely on forged documents. Not a single mention of how Dan decided to release that bit of liberal CRAP right before the election in an effort to make Bush look bad and adversely affect the election. LOL!
He also doesn't seem to mind calling over 200 decorated swiftboat veterans liars and weasels while standing up for John Kerry's little band of merry men and THEIR right to be heard.
He also doesn't mind telling lies about Bush's SS Reform plan by trying to make it look like EVERYONE would be forced (the plan is VOLUNTARY) to put their money into the market. Hell - Now even Alan Greenspan is endorsing it and he's certainly no great friend of the Bush clan!
In what is one of the biggest scandels of all time, (UN's Oil for Food ripoff) he has remained silent. Why?
Because he knows that the facts will make Bush's policy of NOT returning to the UN one last time, before going to war look correct! He knows that many members of the UN Security Council were bought and paid for with Saddam's Oil For Food money. He knows we could have gone back to the UN 1,000 times and we would have NEVER been given "permission" to invade Iraq! The UN is a joke and people like Cathexis don't want to admit it. The only real function they seem to do fairly well is peace-keeping and now, it seems they can't even do that right without raping women wherever they go! WMD or not - Bush was right not to go back to the damn UN once again and seek some other flippin' meaningless resolution that Saddam would have paid no attention to. The love of democracy has not only swept through Iraq, but it's now beginning to sweep through the entire region. Israel and the Palestians are moving in the right direction. The people of Lebanon are standing up for themselves to the point that their Syrian lead government has resigned and Syria is now in the process of a full pullout from Lebanon. Libya has given up their nuclear ambitions. Iran is now worried that they might be next on "W's" list and with Germany, France and Russia now backing the US, they are coming under even more pressure to move towards deomcracy. North Korea is worried as well and SHOULD be! The whole region is changing for the better because of Afghanistan AND Iraq. The common person from that region is now seeing this as THEIR opportunity for freedom and the liberals (like Cathexis) will NEVER give Bush credit for being the one to have the guts and foresight to finally stand up and do something rather than just sit back and continue to talk (like the UN is sooo good at) while millions of innocent people die!
Cathexis runs around on this site trying to pretend to care about the issue of "hate politics" from BOTH sides and yet the ONLY time he criticizes it, is when the hate politics are aimed at Democrats/liberals. He has no problem with the left aiming their load of crap on Republicans and Independents. Someone please show me a Cathexis ballot that is critical of single Democrat/liberal person or issue!
Cathexis's politics are VERY clear and right there for everyone to see. His friends and followers will continue to shout his praises, but people (like me) that aren't as closely connected to him are able to see him for exactly what he really is - politically speaking of course! He's just another far-left Liberal attempting to hide under the cloak of moderation. No great mystery here.
jappy
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