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Great question.
I would definitely agree with the first four options, especially the poor education one - which leads to so many ills.
by mojo on Fri Feb 25, 05 12:20pm
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Better propoganda techniques
by ABC on Fri Feb 25, 05 12:21pm
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I did a similar ballot --one of the reasons given was that the past decade has been horrible to student media, and that students are not fully taught of freedom of the press.
by aya on Fri Feb 25, 05 12:24pm
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cathexis, some guy (I won't say any names but his initials are Dad2the bone.) asked me what I thought of you and I just wanted you to know that I think you're a weasel...and I think you would make a nice glove...and because I have a pair of gloves already, I would only use THAT glove in cases of, "on the other hand.." and in re: the ballot, most american kids think that mexico belongs to the U.S...so, they are 1. stupid 2. scared because they are stupid 3. willing to give up all fundamental rights in order to become more secure.
These are all good choices and possible reasons, although I do have a little more faith in the school system. However, I think the reason that highschool students believe that the media should have governmental approval before reporting may also be related to their skeptiscism of the truth in the media. They may be tired of being told how to think by the media as well as the government. Still, that is no reason to tell the government it's okay to legislate our rights away. Good ballot.
It's sad, very sad. I would hate to think that this is the time period where the US stopped being a great and special nation.
I would put that on liberalism going wild. I know how this sounds, so let me explain. Liberalism is reduced today to only one concept: everything is OK, as long as nobody dies. In other words most "liberals" today don't have a real sett of values. So over a period of time the sense of criticizing (does this even sounds like english?) is dead and reason shut down.
It's all Dan Rather's fault. Like so many "reporters" and anchors, they lie and they are biased, both left and right leaning.
However, government should never, ever have final okay over our press.
"I would put that on liberalism going wild. I know how this sounds, so let me explain. Liberalism is reduced today to only one concept: everything is OK, as long as nobody dies."
WOW, and I always thought the term liberal meant "free", with a progressive attitude not a "dont change horses in midstream" attitude. Most of the liberals I know trust the government less then everm why would they now want the media under the governments thumb?
You scared me Patch when I saw "its all Dan Rathers fault, glad you put "both left and right leaning"
Heck yeah man, these pseudo-journalists, whether they are part of a propaganda machine or are paid off by the government itself as has recently happened...twice.
Just as expected, the left and right blame each other.
The reason for that is because of American lifestyle. I can bet you that 30-40 percent of American children don't know who their father is, (or at least the real one), rarely spend time with their parents, and they're educated by those idiots on television who rant about rims, dubs, bling, bitches and hoes. That's why. Their values are based on what television tells them.
Just as expected, the left and right blame each other.
The reason for that is because of American lifestyle. I can bet you that 30-40 percent of American children don't know who their father is, (or at least the real one), rarely spend time with their parents, and they're educated by those idiots on television who rant about rims, dubs, bling, bitches and hoes. That's why. Their values are based on what television tells them.
by Kaiser on Feb 25, 2005
Well, I guess I might be a guy from the generation you describe. But, I have no idea what rims and dubs are, so maybe you know more about pop culture than I do. I know bling of course and hoe too. Even a white boy like me can be called "hoe" or "bitch boy" in NYC, but most of us know it's just talk and ignore it. Don't put too much stock in it...anyone with an ounce of sense knows it's just pop culture. The reality is--the real bad influences are people like Bush and Cheney. After all, not "thug" really killed thousands upon thousands of people and then dressed it ups as "for our own safety." Now that is sick and twisted. Lay the blame where it belongs and not where it is most convenient! And by the way, I KNOW who my father is, so I guess in your mind, you know that I'm white! How sad. Sorry, hope I did not offend.
SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!
SERENITY NOW!!!!!!!!
by thc2883 on Feb 26, 2005
You're right. Sorry Kaiser :)
Yeah, that WAS about a generation ago. And unfortunately, today we DO NOT have the same freedom. We don't have any rights in this country anymore. We no longer have the right to a fair presidential election. We don't even have the right to decide whether or not we want to wear our seatbelt.. I believe that adults should be able to make that decision on their own but that particular "freedom" along with so many others have been taken away from us.
My daughters are very clear on my feelings towards the POLITICIANS & the MEDIA in this country. Honestly, I don't know which one puts me to shame more.. I guess it's probably 50/50.
What "Kaiser" said regarding the kids + their parents is probably true (a bit exaggerated) but sadly true. However, your first sentence:
'The reason for that is because of American lifestyle.'
was not only untrue but also quite obnoxious. Don't go throwing that judgement on all Americans - you KNOW that is not fair.
I am a good person and if I could afford to move to another country, I would do it in a heartbeat! Unfortunately, I can't even afford to play the lottery these days.
Quoting "Time" again I see Cathexis! LOL! I see where you've been getting your news! I callenge anyone reading this ballot and actually naive enough to believe the Time Magazine poll to go out and ask 20 of our youths the same question:
"Do you feel that the US government should "approve" a news story before it's printed?"
Come back to this ballot and HONESTLY let us know what your findings are. I could not find a single kid that agreed with the government approval idea. Not one. I received quite the opposite reaction - They acted as if I were crazy for even asking that question! Again - Where did Time go for this so-called poll of theirs and whom did they interview?
Hey Patch - "It's all Dan Rather's fault. Like so many "reporters" and anchors, they lie and they are biased, both left and right leaning."
LMAO! Too funny! Hey? Where's Cathexis' ballot on the ill effects of Dan Rather's "hit piece" of a story on George Bush's National Guard service? You know - The one that was based on forged documents and forced Dan out of his nice little job? That one!
Hey Patch - "It's all Dan Rather's fault. Like so many "reporters" and anchors, they lie and they are biased, both left and right leaning."
LMAO! Too funny! Hey? Where's Cathexis' ballot on the ill effects of Dan Rather's "hit piece" of a story on George Bush's National Guard service? You know - The one that was based on forged documents and forced Dan out of his nice little job? That one!
by Dad2DaBone on Feb 27, 2005
Dad, I'm confused. My point was that this whole left vs. right war has gotten so out of hand, that now you can't even be sure if the news is the NEWS, or if it's somehow tainted. For example, Dan Rather seems to be too liberally biased, but on the flip side, Fox News seems to be too conservatively biased. Why can't they just report the news as it was? To the point of the ballot, I think that government intervention or approval over the news is bad...very bad! I want the news to be a check on our government...I want the government to be afraid of the free press. But the way it seems today, the government is controlling the news. I am sorry to say this, but it appears to be getting worse under Bush. What was it like under Clinton? I can recall some aspects of the Monica thing, and at that time, I think the press was freer...or maybe not??
The liberal media, more movement towards secularism, and manipulation by both.
Do we even need to ASK this question? It can be answered very simply: americans are no longer taking responsibility for their own actions, there is always someone to BLAME everything on, this is perpetuated by our absolutely inept, pathetic, bleeding heart judicial system that does nothing to punish criminals and embraces completely ludicrous lawsuits as a way of 'leveling the playing field' as though taking money from successful corporations and giving it to lazy bastards with coniving lawyers is the way to make society a better place (note: not all lawsuits are bad, but damn way too many of them are).
This idea that nothing is ever your fault and you can lay blame on anyone else is the biggest threat to this country, more so than any outside force.
Jappy - "This idea that nothing is ever your fault and you can lay blame on anyone else is the biggest threat to this country, more so than any outside force."
I couldn't agree more.
Patch - It was about the same during the Clinton years. The Republicans looked for every possible angle to slam Clinton and the democrats. Some was brought on by Clinton's own actions and some was just plain BS!
I think a lot of what you're seeing in the media is a result of the fact that the main stream media (including our nation's major newspapers etc) has been for so very long titled waaaaaay in favor of the left, that now there is this opposite effect to over expose the "right" side of the ledger. I hate THAT just as bad! I, however, do NOT agree that Fox News belongs in that category. I find their news very balanced and fair and I have yet to see them produce anything that was based on forged documents. You know?
My conservative friend don't like Fox because they're too liberal. My liberal friends don't like Fox because it's too conservative. LOL! My friend - That's a good sign that they are probably doing just fine. JMHO! I also like MSNBC and CNBC a bit too!
We don't have any rights in this country anymore. We no longer have the right to a fair presidential election. We don't even have the right to decide whether or not we want to wear our seatbelt. I believe that adults should be able to make that decision on their own but that particular "freedom" along with so many others have been taken away from us.
posted by SFLibra February 27
Libra, I understand your logic behind the seatbelt analogy: The government sees fit they have to protect us from ourselves. However, don't you agree there needs to be parody between order and choice? I gather your daughters would be relieved you were wearing your seatbelt if you got hit by a drunk driver don't you think? Saying you shouldn't have to wear a seatbelt is like saying you shouldn't have to drive in between the lines.
We DO have freedom in this country, all of those fantastic freedoms protected under the Bill of Rights. However, like it or not, society does need rules. It's as equally unjust to promote anarchy in the name of freedom as it to promote fascism in the name of order.
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