COMMENTS:
I think your missing part of the point of these people. This country (America) was founded on Christian beliefs, the founding fathers wrote often of their beliefs & how much we owed our freedom to the Lord. I think Judge Moore (the man who placed the Commandments in the courthouse here) was refering to that when he said he had the right to put it there & despite what the Democrats would have you believe there is no constitutional right to seperate religion & state they say it over & over but it is not in the Constitution.
Of course there are also people who believe Judge Moore is looking to run for political office & is trying to gain votes by using his religion/beliefs.
Well the good thing about this ballot is, that a satanic pentagram ain't never gonna replace the Ten Commandments and if it did, we'd have another civil war in our homeland and i'd be on the frontlines.
Everygirl- clearly you have not read the U.S. Constitution.
Amendment One-
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
runyonbybirth- That's exactly why we don't establish a national religion or even show favoritism to any single one, because people like you would kill people that worship another God (or for that matter Satan) just because you believed our society treated them better. Do you want America to turn into Northern Ireland? If not then don’t push for the Ten Commandments to be posted in every courthouse in America.
This country was founded on common sense. Dont Steal, Dont kill people, dont bang your neighbor wife, don't lie about you neighbor, honor your parents etc. these are not just Christian beliefs, these are beliefs of modern man around the world (of modern men)regardless of their religion. To say that this country was founded on Christian beliefs is absurd. Is it a Christian belief that blankets should be tainted with small pox and passed along to Indians? Is it Christian to steal their land, rape their women and kill their men? If so, then yes, this country was founded on Christian beliefs.
four of the first five presidents were slave owners! yes, THEY OWNED PEOPLE!
It was the Christians who along with a "run away slave" founded the underground rail road.
& Robin it's restricting not respecting the religion. But no there is no constitutional right to seperate the two, unless you interpert it that way. It doesn't say you can't respect a religion.
Of course that said I don't think we need the Commandments there. As long as people follow what's right with their actions why put a statue in the courthouse? You would be surprised how many religious people disargeed with Moore. Of course I'm referring to the religious people here only.
"it was the Christians who along with a "run away slave" founded the underground rail road."
yes but they were not the "founders" of this country. And it doesnt change the fact that the founding fathers OWNED PEOPLE which is not very Christian like is it?
"& Robin it's restricting not respecting the religion. But no there is no constitutional right to seperate the two, unless you interpert it that way. It doesn't say you can't respect a religion." everygirl
So then why couldnt everyone "respect" a satanic pentagram as the ballot asked?
Because the country wasn't founded by satanist. Why put a something satanic in the courthouse if it doesn't represent the people who founded this country?
as I said before, the country was not founded on "christian beliefs" unless you believe that slavery and killing is Christian. The founders of this country all OWNED PEOPLE. Washington, Madison, Jefferson even Bengamin Franklin did at one time.
"Why put a something satanic in the courthouse if it doesn't represent the people who founded this country?" everygirl
You're right, we should represent the people who founded this county! Anybody know where we can get a slave to post in the Courthouse?
everygirl- Not everyone that built this country or helped establish it's cultural identity was a Christian. Mark Twain was an atheist, many of the founding fathers were deists Thomas Jefferson and John Adams considered themselves to be enlightened men and dreaded the influence of organized religion on any political system. Through a series of letters they wrote each other after they both served as president they both stated that they had serious doubts in the divinity of Jesus. Thomas Jefferson’s first political action was to help establish secular government in his home state of Virginia. America was never been founded on Christian values. At least you better hope that the Indian holocaust, witch burnings, child labor, female repression and black slavery weren’t Christian values. Even though the bible was used as an excuse for all of those atrocities.
Yes Robin but videos, movies etc anything can be used to say this is why I hurt these people. & people forget the Christians have been on the receiving end of the repression & murder themselves. Also you know the Declaration of Independence refers to God several times.
As I said before I don't think the Commandments need to be at the courthouse but I can see their side of the arguement if you look at it as a historical thing.
You can repeat something a million times but that doesn't make it true. Here are our founding fathers:
"I am persuaded, you will permit me to observe that the path of true piety is so plain as to require but little political direction. To this consideration we ought to ascribe the absence of any regulation , respecting religion, from the Magna-Charta of our country"
George Washington, 1789, Papers, Presidential Series, 4:274
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson
"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
..........To F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816
and more from Jefferson
"The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful, and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."
and more
"The truth is, that the greatest enemies of the doctrine of Jesus are those, calling themselves the expositors of them, who have perverted them to the structure of a system of fancy absolutely incomprehensible, and without any foundation in his genuine words. And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
..........To John Adams, Apr. 11, 1823
And Thomas Paine:
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church."
"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
"I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)."
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible."
There is your founding fathers on religion and Christianity in general.
i think they should allow the ten commandments up but then all other religions would HAVE to be represented including satanism.
that would shut the jesus freaks up.
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