COMMENTS:
GOOD POINT.
by mojo on Mon Apr 04, 05 2:31pm
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Nice try Cathexis, but I believe you omitted significant parts of the Commandment. "You shall make no graven image of anything in heaven or on earth, and bow down and worship it." You only took into account a portion of the semantics.
There are three key conditions here that have to be met. First the image must be created by man, not by god. This is why having statues of the commandments is not prohibited by the 2nd commandment; the commandments were created by god, not man. Second, them image must be graven: specifically provoking deep thought and reflection. According to your rationale, the greatest works of art created would against the 2nd commandment. Aha! but fortunately there is the third condition, and the most important one, you have to worship it. Using this logic Cath, it is okay to admire and ruminate about the Human Form in Da Vinci's Vitruvian Man because you are not worshipping it. And it is Okay to worship that poster of Brittany Spear you have even though it is made by man, because it is hardly a graven image. And you can of course Worship the graven image of Jesus Crucified on the Cross because Jesus was not made by man, he was eternally begotten of the Father.
"If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." -Jesus, in John 14:23
I forgot to mention....That's how you drink milk baby!
Ah! Thanks, Erasmus ... I must be getting old ... I didn't see the little asterisk on the tablets that pointed to all of those footnotes! ;-)
Har Har Cathexis. You must have not seen the subject or the predicate either. Would you consider pictures of the Holocost "Graven images"? Hell, anything that makes you reflect and think seriously is a graven image! I guess recording our history is a sin. And don't let me catch you playing with that Rubix Cube you sinner!
I hope you've learned your lesson, Cath. Logic has no basis in religion.
I actually thought I was pretty logical in my argument. Praytell, what part was illogical? Please refute me. There are plety of arguable things in religious doctrine, this just isn't one of them.
I didn't say that you were being illogical. My point is simply that religion is not based on logic.
I can't help feeling that those who try semantic disassembly in order to parse the literals risk missing out on the general/ spirit-of-the- message.
Cathexis- My point, and only point, is that you took only two words out of the entire commandment. Translated another way, and more often heard this way, is that Thou shall not worship idols. Saying only the graven image portion is taking it out of context don't you think?
Applerod- I agree, religion is of course not based in logic, it is based in faith. And if I do come off as pretentious, I apologize, that was not my intent. Debating is not my best forte. I'm an engineer, not lawyer. Though I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... ;D
Hehe; peace my brotha
EM: Re: Wording ... I blame my references. ;-D As for worshipping graven images ... I suggest that the current fervor doesn't have an established Comfort Zone that clearly distances itself from just that action. Too many are viewing the Commandments as an icon for Christianity, which is fueling their passions on the topic. This, I suggest, constitutes a form of worship.
No. A graven image refers to another god or false prophet. A statue of the ten commandments is a list of commands, not a deity.
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