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It is an idealogy. There is no global network, there are no sleeper cells. I'm not saying that there isn't a threat, but it is greatly exagerated.
The term 'Al Qaeda' actally originated from a late nineties indictment case against Bin Laden. A case in which laws previously used against organised criminal gangs such as the mafia were being utilised. Therefore a name of an organisation had to be used.
Does anyone remember old Donny Rumsfeld telling us about Osama huge underground facilities in Afghanistan, with huge communication centres, accomodation for footmen and offices? What a joke! What did they find?... a few caves. It certainly worked to rummy's advantage though didn't it?
It's mostly a fabrication used to scare and manipulate people. I think there is an organization but they tend to lump everything (the different terrorist cells)together.
Al Qaeda or the Bush Administration: which is the bigger terrorist organization?
It's all a conspiracy Al Queda doesn't exist. All Americans killed by "Al Queda" were actually killed by the CIA. (or so I've learned from people on this site).
I don't belive Al-Qaeda is anything more than a label. It seems to be a non-existant boogie-man that we can point our collective finger at and blame all terrorist activity on. Which probably explains why we haven't found Osama yet, lol.
"Does anyone remember old Donny Rumsfeld telling us about Osama huge underground facilities in Afghanistan, with huge communication centres, accomodation for footmen and offices?"
Wolf, I saw a CBC piece on Iraq and they showed that clip where Rum was on CNN and was sitting beside this complex diagram showing an impossibly constructed mountain bunker with exactly what you described. It was the first time I saw that bit of footage and I couldn't stop laughing.
um__yeah
"It seems to be a non-existant boogie-man that we can point our collective finger at and blame all terrorist activity on. Which probably explains why we haven't found Osama yet, lol."
Yes, that's got to be the reason.
um__yeah & wolf_nipple_chips
So who are doing the all the murders? Or are they imaginary too?
It's blatantly obvious Iguana, that various Islamic jihadist groups, and Sunni muslim extremists are doing the killing, but that wasn't the point of this ballot.
The point of this ballot is to ask whether you think Al-Qaeda is the name of a real terrorist organization, or a blanket name that has been created by us to "simplify" the war on terror.
Did the war on terror start in the last '80s?
Did the war on terror start in the late '80s?
What I'm getting at is if you can find articals dating before war on terror using the term Al Queda then I guess it wasn't created by us to "simplify" the war on terror. Right?
I stand corrected. You are right...I've found the name comes from the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan days, when Bin Laden was being funded by Saudi/U.S./Pakistan assistance to fight communism.
I still stand by my general idea that the current U.S. administration have revived the name Al-Qaeda as a blanket phrase to try and convince Americans that there is a single international evil terrorist network bent on destroying America.
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The whole Al Queda thing, smells very much like a red herring.
Anyone remember the 'reds under the bed' slogan of the 1950s?
Fear is the greatest friend of a dictatorship.
Anyone remember the Venona Project?
There were, at least some, reds under the bed here in the US. But then since FDR was a commie-symp and supported good ol Uncle Joe's murder, and power grabbing.
The reds have always been pretty much out in the open in Jolley Olde England.
"Red Herring" Steele? Certainly possible that we are generalizing "al-Qaeda" for any group we want to prosecute/persecute. However, when any organization starts flying airplanes into our buildings and killing thousands of our citizens, the response is going to be massive. We do need to be careful to become top-heavy with militarists in our society, no matter what the situation.
Oh, yeah, your question. Short answer: apparently al-Qaeda is both an organization and an ideology. Additionally, it is a great pretext to assassinate people you don't like anywhere in the world.
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yeah leftists like Steelhamster are still worried about red scares while the government of their country is still involved in the oppression and repression of the Irish people.
Pene, I have serious doubts that you know anything about Ireland and you've probably never even been there. Why are you so unhappy?
Ask your daddy, and then he can form the opinon for you.
Or maybe you can copy some else's words and thoughts. You can copy something off the internet and put a really long post, and then feel like you are smart even though that is more or less plagarism and hasn't demonstrated anything more than your ability to parrot something, like a dumb bird.
um__yeah
Does the Bush Admin mention Bin Ladin or Al Queda more often or do they use the general term "terrorism" "war on terrorism" more often?
Are all terrorists a threat? Sure. Which group is the greatest threat? Which group has repeatedly attacked the U.S inside and outside of it's boarders? Which group's leaders have eluded Interpol, The FBI,CIA, MI5, Israeli counter-intelligence, and the U.S military ?
BTW for the people that believe Al Queda is a myth I guess the previously mentioned groups are all delusional, right?
Ask your daddy, and then he can form the opinon for you.
Or maybe you can copy some else's words and thoughts. You can copy something off the internet and put a really long post, and then feel like you are smart even though that is more or less plagarism and hasn't demonstrated anything more than your ability to parrot something, like a dumb b
bird.
by pene_palmada on Apr 27, 2005
Really Pene, what did I copy? I copied BUT SITED THE SOURCE! Something you did not do, as I proved in the other post. You're the one who copied directly from a web site, but changed the words around a bit, and claimed them as your own. You're just pissed because I called you on it and posted the proof. My ideas are my own...and Einstein, the shole point of EDUCATION and learning is that you read and hear about what experts write and say...of course it's repeating Pene...thats the way we LEARN. Don't you know that? But you posted this blithering post, and it was not yours. My post on the difference between a Republic and a Democracy are MY thoughts, based on what I have LEARNED! The post that I pasted, I sited the source. Geez, I'm sorry, but you are thick!!
Closet: "So who are doing the all the murders? Or are they imaginary too? "
What murders are we talking about firstly?
Closet: "So who are doing the all the murders? Or are they imaginary too? "
What murders are we talking about firstly?
Closet: "So who are doing the all the murders? Or are they imaginary too? "
What murders are we talking about firstly?
"yeah leftists like Steelhamster are still worried about red scares while the government of their country is still involved in the oppression and repression of the Irish people. "
Pene you are a joke! Where exactly is this repression and oppression? Yet another American clingling to some romantic notion of a unified Ireland, when in fact over half the Irishmen in N.Ireland want to remain part of the U.K. Are you serious???
"What I'm getting at is if you can find articals dating before war on terror using the term Al Queda then I guess it wasn't created by us to "simplify" the war on terror. Right? "
Where are these articles Closet?
"BTW for the people that believe Al Queda is a myth I guess the previously mentioned groups are all delusional, right? "
Closet, I really don't think there is anyone on this site who believes it to be a complete myth. There is a terrorist GROUP out there...popularly known by politicians and the media as Al Qeada. There are also many other islamist groups out there who's only connection is idealogy. Islamism! Osama didn't invent the idea, and he certainly doesn't have a monopoly on it. Its been around for decades in this form...originating in Egypt with the Muslim Brotherhood. The evidence of some kind of multilayered, international organisation is extremely sparce. In my opinion there are simply many small groups of islamist in a selection of countries who only relationship is there idealogy. Osama and Friends is one of these.
Oh, and Pene, I have never heard Moore talk about this subject at all. Is sounds like your the dumb parrot, who is unable to even question your politics or the media.
Although "al-Qaeda" is the name of the organization used in popular culture, the organization does not use the name to formally refer to itself. The name "al-Qaeda" was coined by the American Federal Government based on the name of a computer file of bin Laden's that listed the names of contacts he had made in Afghanistan, which talks about the organization as the al-Qaeda-al-Jihad ("the base of the jihad").
Closet, I would really impressed if you can find documents mentioning Al Qeada before the indictment case.
Irish_Scandinavian, you are a fool. I have studied this subject longer than you have been in puberty.
The partition of Ireland didn't mean that all Irishmen in the north were kicked out and replaced by British, they simply stayed where they were. They are just as Irish as the next man below the border.
Yet another Brit who thinks he knows all about the Irish Question. The Northern "Irish" are not even Irish they were given that land after you limies stole it.
by Irish_Scandinavian on Apr 28,
I_S, you are mistaken. Have you been there? Do you know anyone or are you related to anyone who is there? My cousin is an Historian living in Belfast and I can tell you that I have quite a few relatives who live in Coleraine and Belfast and they can trace my family's heritage in Ireland back several hundred years and they're all from Ireland --the North and the South! This is an issue Americans tend to be very misinformed on and we should butt out, as the parties involved are fully capable of dealing with the situation. :) Would you want them butting into our control of Puerto Rico?? Just my opinion though.
Irish_Scandinavian you ARE Republican_RightWing and without realizing it, your post below confirms it. You really should be careful about posting similar comments (actually almost identical) to your alias. Goodbye!
And Irish_Scandinavian / RRW, no, I won't stay out of it. This is a public forum...don't you get that concept? Grow up. You are spooky!
Listen, Jews have been under persectution and have been being killed for centuries. Mainly by Arabs and Europeans. The jews are also a ethnicity in the Middle Eastern race. They are hebrew hence they call themselves jews, unless of course their family intermixed in Eastern Europe and some of Western Europe, then they would be considered a Russian Jew etc. Yosi is an individual not the entire Israeli nation. You really can't say anything about Israel and how the palestinians live UNLESS you are one.
by Republican_RightWing on Apr 22, 2005
I_S / RRW, that posting of yours above and the one you made in this ballot about Israel proves to me you are both users and nothing you say will change my mind. It was burning you up that I refuted you comments from that other ballot about Israel and the fact your brought into this one tells me you are the same person. Afterall, I_S didn't even comment in that other ballot. You're really having a hard time keeping track of you are...dual personalities is really scary, especially yours.
Closet - The multiple entries was an accident.
Were covering old ground here closet. Of course I remember the indictment - I mentioned it in my second comment here.
The indictment was in 1998. It says so in that document you provided...you made this same mistake in that past ballot of mine. I never said the name was coined at the start of the 'War on Terror' - those are your words, not mine.
Read my second comment above, I have corrected my mistake, it wasn't 2001 it was 1998.
You have failed to disprove my point. That indictment case, and the documents produced during it were the first time the term Al Qeada was used to describe Osama and friends. You will not find anything prior to that date.
Oh, and you give it a rest! Um_Yeah asked for the origins - I gave him one, which to this point hasn't been disproven.
AS for the bombing and killing...of course those were carried out by Osama - I have never denied that. It only took one man to blow up the oklahoma(sic) building. Were talking about proof of an global organisation. Which that quite blatantly isn't
Closet - Did you actually read that indictment document, or did you just pickout the first date that you saw?
wolf_nipple_chips
No the report I read stated that he was indicted in 1989. Those papers are years after. Let me see if I can find the initial court filings or something more creditible. I'll get back to you on the weekend.
Wolf
Apparently Abdullah Azzam (bin Ladin's spiritual mentor) wrote a book in 1988 of al Qaeda al Sulbah, meaning the 'solid base'. That was a lot of thankless work!
ooops RR slipping again. well spotted patch. freudian at least.
It's common knowledge that the term was in circulation. Read one of my comments above - "The name "al-Qaeda" was coined by the American Federal Government based on the name of a computer file of bin Laden's that listed the names of contacts he had made in Afghanistan, which are decribed as the al-Qaeda-al-Jihad ("the base of the jihad").
However, it was never used as the name of a terrorist organisation until '98.
Neither you or I can say exactly when it was first used to name Al Queda.
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