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Having attended a HBCU and gone to more than a few Kappa parties, I'd say that this is MORE than fair. I've seen things that would make cops foam at the mouth.
I can't say; I don't know the standards at that school. At my school, the punishment would've been much less severe.
Depends, I'd have to compare the punichment a primarily white frat got for doing the same thing.
I tend to doubt that it was racist. That particular chapter should have lost its standing--permanently.
These activities occur at many Frat houses, prominately Black or White. However, Herzog, you appear to be on a crusade to only point out these kinds of incidents regarding people of color. Your attempts at painting people of color in a poor light is quite transparent and silly. However, it appears also that, its the only life you have, so, enjoy.
Not enough info. Sorry.
No babs, I'm not pointing out only instances when blacks do it. I'm point out instances when blacks do things that would have gotten whites in just as much trouble, and then try to claim they are only being punished because of racism. This is to show the hypocrisy and stupidity of the victimhood ideology that many black leaders love to encourage.
You haven't a clue of what you are talking about. The idea you would infer that, if these were White guys, they would have been punished more severely certainly given me proof enough that you are indeed confused about the realities of race in America. Also, what do you know about Black leaders? Nothing but what mommy and daddy has told you. The sad thing about it, there are alot of people who believes like you that allows for Racism to remain well and alive. However, know this, if what you are spewing causes anyone pain, you will have to account for that pain, enjoy, how sad you are...
Ok babs, so you're going to claim that a white fraternity giving out illegal drugs and serving alcohol to minors wouldn't have gotten in to any trouble? You are clearly the confused one here. Break the law, repeatedly, and you should be glad that a 5 year suspension of your frat is all you have to face.
And for clarification, I'm not sad in the least. Actually I'm in a great mood today.
And I can form reasonable arguments based on facts and logic, rather than simply screaming "racism" over and over again. Face it babs, the facts are again not on your side.
Anytime a minorty gets in trouble the race card is played.
LMAO! BBC's panties keep getting all in a bunch over your ballots herzog. Its hilarious! Keep 'em comin'!
Whenever minorities have a dispute with authority, regardless of the facts they claim racism so that they can continue on with what they are doing.
In a Jersey paper I read about this woman whose son was arrested on gun charges, said, "this is racist, my son may be a drug dealer but he ain't no gunslinger" !!!
At UC Davis there are tons of bicycles and the riders are constantly gitting ticketed for various offences. But, this one guy claimed that his failure to yield ticket was given because he was black. The kicker is that the cop was black too.
A clinical psychologist on TV stated that "anytime that whites and blacks interact, that if the blacks feel if there was a race-based attitude, then that is a crime."
No matter what black people do they say racism.
A cop was killed in the Eastern SF Bay Area recently and the next day there was a big story about how the black murderer was a victim. Not the cop and his wife (who is 7 months pregnat)
NO
The black killer is the victim of a white society that VICTIMIZED him.
Free Mumia? yeah right.
Actually BBC automatically calling Herzog racist proves the point.
I don't know why a guy who lives in Italy thinks that he is such a great authority on US race relations.
He should focus on the corrupt Itatlian government and their treatement of minorities.
How about the Rome Jew Ghetto for example. Plenty for you to worry about in your part of the world pal. GET TO IT.
Racism is fed by fear and ignorance, and so far, it is being well fed.
Papering over the cracks of 100s of years of slavery and oppression may be what certain members of the right would like to see, but the simple fact is, not ONE white person would volunteer to be a black man.
Until the race issue is an irrelevance on both sides of the argument, Herzog and those who support his views, will forever get an audience from those who either dont know any better, or do know better and have an agenda other than what they are espousing.
This is a tough question, and I think we would have to know more about the fraternity's history of these sorts of things, etc. in order to prescribe a just punishment, if it was called for at all.
And to decide if the motivation was "racist," we would have to examine the sanctions that were given other, other than African-American, fraternities in proximate circumstances.
Hard to have a solid opinion with more data.
Nonetheless, an interesting ballot. Thanks.
Wow steel so enlightened. Yet the perpetuation of slavery was largely committed by your nation and a couple of other "enlightened" European countries.
Maybe we should present our bill to your government for the reparations that you seem to advocate are needed to address the American race problems.
Of course, Labor isn't swinging to the right on this issue to ensure old big ears gets reelected. Maybe the liberals will win the election and they will do everything right.
Oh by the way, England has never shown its ability to be anything but racist and class perpetuating, even today.
Steel: so I'm to blame for perpetuating racism by pointing out the stupid shit people do, or rather the stupid shit people do and the even stupider ways they try to get out of it. And yet these people, who decided to blame racism on a problem that is obviously not race related aren't in any way to blame? Yeah, you've got your priorities straight.
BTW, have you given up your job yet to a more deserving minority? I know that you just want to paper over the cracks of 100s of years of slavery and oppression and keep your job, but that really isn't the nice thing to do. Come on steel, don't be a hypocrite and actually practice what you preach, help to end the racial divide in your country.
Pene! You need a time out, just like I used to get! What is with you dude? You are one nasty and agressive guy man...no wonder you're ranked "Experienced Lost." Why are you on here if all you do is bitch and moan and lash out? I mean we all do at some point, but you've turned it inot an art form. Now relax!
Herzog: I find it incredible Herzog, that you constantly deflect points put to you and choose instead to be either obtuse or just damn right facetious.
Your ill thought out right wing dogma seems to believe in a world where one race must 'make way' for another, the only equality you seem to approve of is the equality of poverty.
Its time you wiped the foam from your mouth and learn to appreciate that 'giving up' ones job, doesnt solve anything, creating more jobs and bringing all workers together irregardless of race or any other difference, is what I believe in. You seem to be happy helping the elite do their job for them, by constantly attacking the very working classes that are striving for equality.
My not giving up my job is not hypocrisy as you so 'eloquently' (sic) put it, why is that those on the right believe that the only way one can show solidarty for fellow workers, is by 'stepping down' all that does is keep the situation the same. Its like saying. 'How can you be a socialist, youre wearing shoes'
Pene: Wow, where do I begin in refuting your historically innaccurate diatribe? William Wilberforce, campaigned to have slavery abolished in the late 1790's finally having it abolished in 1805. So your false assertion that my country 'perputated' the trade is equally asanine.
I now find have to look in incredulity at your other remarks, what the election of a Labour government and your previous statement have in common make little sense.
Noone in the UK or elsewhere in Europe would say that we have defeated racism, but that does not negate the facts of my arguments.
I am a lifelong committed socialist, and have been in the forefront of fighting the Nazis, the National Front and the BNP in my country. Racism and fascism are an anathema to anyone of decency, and thosewho support it are beneath contempt.
Oh so there were three guys fighting slavery while there was a huge government perpetuating it. It was already an institution under the british here in the colonies. And when did the UK actually stop their other abuses? In India, in South Africa, in Nigeria, in the Carribean, in Egypt, in Southeast Asia.
If there are reparations to be paid here the UK, Nederlands, Spain, Portugal, and France should have to pay for it proportionally.
If you are so in the forefront of fighting all these things then why don't you have a position on the evil Unionists. I am not saying the Nationalists are all cake and honey, but the Unionists are at least half at fault, yet the British government has always kowtowed to them.
Patch, so you really do need to sit in judgment of others. See you say I am lashing out and need a time out. That is a judgment. But it is clear that you don't have the ability to think clearly. I am not addressing you so mind your manners and stop your kvetching.
"BTW, have you given up your job yet to a more deserving minority? I know that you just want to paper over the cracks of 100s of years of slavery and oppression and keep your job, but that really isn't the nice thing to do. Come on steel, don't be a hypocrite and actually practice what you preach, help to end the racial divide in your country."
by herzog on Apr 27, 2005
You sure can a be a prick sometimes.
Do you think that Black people live some kind of luxurious life where money fows into their bank accounts and jobs are plentiful?
Like a true conservative, republican, facist, whatever... you hide your racism and hatred behind not-so-clever wordplay, misinformation and deliberate misdirection. You fail to answer direct questions (because you can't) and you spew out irrelevant, vitriolic retorts.
Still, it only helps you to lose the arguments you start.
You are a sad little racist who cannot bear the thought of any equality between "White Westerners" and any other race.
'Do you think that Black people live some kind of luxurious life where money fows into their bank accounts and jobs are plentiful?'
That seems to be the assumption made about the life of a white person, hence all the legistlation to punish whites.
The charges of racist and fascist are meant to cut off debate.
There is nothing to respond to in that so you must not have a thought in that lefty, commie, pol pot head of yours.
The charges of racist and fascist are meant to cut off debate.
There is nothing to respond to in that so you must not have a thought in that lefty, commie, pol pot head of yours.
by pene_palmada Pene on Apr 27, 2005
Pene, just look at your comment above. It's you who is always judging others. Actually, what you do is to shout someone down and in the process you insult and try to degrade the poster and their comment. As I wrote in a previous post, we have all done that, including me, to some extent, but you do it in virtually every post. You have an inferiority complex and an over inflated sense of self. Sorry, call them like I see them. I judge no one, as I don't want to be judged. I may disagree with opinions and views and I may state so, sometimes too harshly, but ultimately, we all make our own choices in this world. Apparently, your choice is to behave in a pious, holier-than-thou way and to pronounce how great you are every chance you get.
I find it interesting that you say I called you both a fascist and a racist, at no point in my argument, did I ever make that assertion about you Pene.
The fact that you belive I did, says more about you than it does about me.
I wont even comment on the lefty, commie remark, as you have no clue of what you are talking aboutin this regard.
"I hope you rot in hell for betraying your race you scum."
by kingAlfredTheGreat on Apr 28, 2005
A real illiterate racist! You make quite a convincing argument for being a tolerant individual!
"bourgeousie" I think you meant bourgeois. Still it was nice try.
"the trith about how the white mans white sare being eroded" I am sure we all want to know the TRUTH about how the white mans RIGHTS ARE being eroded but I am not sure you will be able to provide any worthwhile information here.
I seriously doubt you actually believe what you wrote about jobs, wives and rape but if you weren't being inflammatory for the sake of it can I suggest you turn yourself in to the nearest police station immediately? Please. No joke.
Seeing as all of us human beings on Earth are all actually part of the same family can't you just shut up? If you can't then do us all a favour and go away. Far away.
King Alfred, what about Human rights? Obviously you feel strongly about the issue, so your point has validity, as perception is sometimes reality. I don't know. In some ways, I guess you have a point, but for example, in the US, the big controversy is illegal immigrants are now using false documents that make them seem like legal citizens and they are taking job in factories, etc. The thought had been that illegal immigrants did jobs that a legal citizen would not do, but I watched an special report on 60 minutes and the problem is that some are now finding ways to buy social security numbers and cards and other ID's and company's assume they are legal and give them higher level jobs--thats not a race issue though. I guess what I mean is it's an immigration issue and if illegal immigrants are falsifying documents and taking jobs from legal citinzens, thats the issue and not the race of the people involved on both sides. If you bring race into this, it makes it seem (seem!) like you're being racist...not saying you are, but it seems that way. If a person, no matter what race or nationality immigrates legally, they have a right to have a job.
FiddleFaddle's response is the objective response to the Ballot Question.
Sorry, herzog, but you have developed a reputation, now, of putting up partial, incomplete, misleading, or outright false information in an attempt to solicit sympathy for a viewpoint.
While it may be true that some specific incidents of Racist accusations may not be merited, I have to push back on the obvious implication that all or most are unmerited.
It's ironic that there are white racists who seem to be obsessed with thinking about blacks. What an odd bit of karma: to hate a group of people and then to think about them obsessively.
Crank, you're the only racist on this thread.
of course it's a racist attack. White people don't get into trouble for using/dealing illegal drugs, concealing weapons or underage drinking.... :/
My last comment was quite racist im afraid, and i apologise. I was drunk (hence the bad spelling). The generalisations i made were over the top but not without foundation in reality. That comment still had truth in it.
Oh, and wide head of knowledge ( or perhaps more appropriately " cavernous spam head of air" ? ) DO shut up wont you? The role of smart arse is obviously well above your level of capability.
And try actually contributing something to the conversation at hand yourself why dont you? instead of spouting mindless outraged indignation like the brain washed liberal you appear to be.
My contribution is to point out that racists like you and herzog should be ignored totally.
The bullshit you spread about affirmative action needs to be seen for what it is - evil, racist rhetoric.
I offer you the same challenge I offered babs, which she naturally declined; find one racist comment of mine.
You are cleverer than that herzog. Your entire argument about affirmative action is a racist one. You despise the thought of equality and constantly throw at us all the things you perceive as being 'pro black'. The fact that your one-sided bigotry is ignoring all the hatred, violence and discrimination towards minorities shows you for what you truly are.
How about you take a stance on all human rights issues? How about you make a comment about the fact that minorities still get fucked over on a regular basis? How about you stop all the bullshit urban myth-making about black women being paid more than white women or some other such horseshit?
Either you are for equality or you are not. Whining about what you perceive to racist 'affirmative action' makes you no better than a guy in a klan outfit. In fact, at least the klan have the balls to admit their prejudices. You are far more sinister - a racist posing as an intelligent, reasonable human being.
So you, like babs, can find no actually instances of racism, but instead point to a vague feeling that I am a racist. This is because I point out instances when blacks screw up and do stupid things, rather than doing the politically correct thing and ignoring it. That's a rock solid case you have there.
By the way, that was a scientific study which concluded that black women make more than white women, not a myth. If you have a problem with the facts, and would like me to ignore them go ahead and say so. I won't, but at least you'd be honest with your intentions.
Wide heads arguments are becoming almost as substantial as Barbaras it seems. Are we to have TWO champions of mindless labelling roaming the site now?
"So you, like babs, can find no actually instances of racism, but instead point to a vague feeling that I am a racist. This is because I point out instances when blacks screw up and do stupid things, rather than doing the politically correct thing and ignoring it. That's a rock solid case you have there."
by herzog on Apr 28, 2005
Ok, I will try to keep this simple. I realise you need as much help as you can get.
This is no 'vague feeling', your ENTIRE arguments are racist. Of course you are much to clever to say 'I hate niggers' but that is what your arguments are saying. My point was why bring up only instances of when 'blacks screw up'? Hardly objective is it? Why not bring up racial issues involving attacks on all minorities? You know, that would be fair.
And scientific study you say? That's a corker! There were some similar scientific studies done a few decades back that 'proved' black people were not as intelligent as white people.... And studies that 'proved' they weren't even the same species!
So, take your racist propaganda elsewhere where you can't pollute the minds of the young and impressionable.
kingAlfie, you are fast becoming the new cretin_slap. Always destined to lose in the face of intelligence and common sense.
"...who gives a SHIT whether affirmative action will promote racial equality in the workplace?"
by kingAlfredTheGreat on Apr 22, 2005
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Widehead: what would be the point of bringing up racism against blacks? The media always covers those stories to death. But when blacks make false claims of racism, or do something racist themselves, these stories are rarely covered by the politically correct media.
So I ignore when whites screw up for the same reason I didn't make a post about britney spears being pregnant (well, one of the same reasons) because I know it will be covered sufficiently. There was far more coverage on the trinity U letters when they were assumed to be from a white person, once it was discovered they were sent by a black girl the interest seemed to disapear, and little was reported. And the odd thing is; you know I'm right, but you're still going to claim this is racist.
Fat Head
"...who gives a SHIT whether affirmative action will promote racial equality in the workplace?"
by kingAlfredTheGreat on Apr 22, 2005
Dumb, dumb, dumb."
Do you think its clever to take one segment of my comment out of context like that purely for the purpose of carrying on your witch hunt? You are an imbecile.
The context was why would a white man who has just lost his job purely because of his skin colour " gives a SHIT whether affirmative action will promote racial equality in the workplace? "
You really are a moron if you think thats going to trick anyone.
Again i suggest you dont actually have anything intelligent/ rational to say on racial issues, so why dont you go somewhere youre wanted? Im sure they must have jobs going at your local refuse dump? Or perhaps Mc Donalds would suit you better
Of course I took your comment out of context. That's how you guys work right? You pick and choose which pieces of information to use or misuse at your leisure.
My comments on racial issues?
Let's see.
Racism is evil.
Affirmative Action is myth perpuated by white racists.
You are a racist.
Job done.
That shows that your tactics are only good if they mirror "the other side". Typical inability of the liberal unable to think for himself. Typical inablility to take a reasonable position and stick to it.
That is why the Democrats don't control either house of Congress, The White House, the majority of judgships, the majority of state legislatures.
STEELHAMSTER
You talked about Wilberforce. So what. The Brits started slavery, and later condoned it for alot longer under Brit control than under American control. Yes both administrations were "Americans" and we accept responsibility for our actions, your country doesn't, at least you seem to think that you have some sort of objection while condemning others. Doesn't work that way.
Listen buddy, you act like you are smart. You imply that I am ignorant. This is a stupid tactic. I don't agree with you, so what.
I know that the Brits, largely stopped the slave trade into and out of Brazil. For that they should be commended. Yet before that, and after Wilberforce, they were supporting the Confederacy in the American Civil War. Don't try to deny it. It is not only a historic fact but an economic one. The Brits didn't want to lose that cheap, slave labor produced cotton for their textile industry.
So give it a rest.
Having attended a HBCU and gone to more than a few Kappa parties, I'd say that this is MORE than fair. I've seen things that would make cops foam at the mouth.
by Truthseeker013 on Apr 27, 2005 5:44pm
That pretty much goes for all fraternities and similar groups except the nerdy science ones.
I say just get rid of them all to be fair.
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