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COMMENTS:
Yes
Yes because she was climbing up on things and endangering herself.
I saw the videotape of this 5 year old girl being placed in handcuffs, they keep playing the video as if it was a tv series. This 5 year old, hit at 2-3 teachers, pulling items off of a bulletin board, climbing on top of a table attempting to jump off, screaming, crying, throwing objects, and finally, sitting in a chair when 3 officers approached her. One of the officers pulled the table away from the chair the 5 year old was sitting in, then the officer and a second officer approached her and each officer taking her by both arms and attempted to place her in handcuffs. Now, this student was sitting calmly in a chair when these officers approached. What was the purpose of attempting to put her in handcuffs at this point? It was also reported that, there is no history of behavioral problems with this student, so why not take in consideration that, possibly something affected this student in such a manner that it caused her some kind of emotional breakdown. Eventually, the handcuffs did not fit (and there is a reason why they did not fit, handcuffs are not made for 5 year olds), the officers were forced to use plastic handcuffs instead. However, they immediately removed them once she was placed in the police cruiser. Therefore, to answer the ballot question, "No."
From what I saw of it, she was acting fairly crazy. Nonetheless, I am uneasy about handcuffing a child. Shouldn't the Child Welfare folks have been called?
Some of the psychologist types, enjoying their 15 minutes of fame, opined that such treatment wasn't necessary, and that the caregivers should have gotten on her level and calmed her down. I'm in the same general field, and I'm not too sure about that.
I do know that my parents would have had a much more proactive approach (euphemism for bodily harm) to this sort of behavior.
I'm not saying corporal punishment is the answer, but its worked for melleniums.
Thanks for your ballot. Enjoyed.
Lack of discipline from her parents and teachers led to this absurd and obscene situation.
When I was a child (uh-oh, here goes!), if you were sent to the principal's office and - God forbid - suspended from school, that was punishment enough. Something to be avoided at all costs.
Disappointing my parents was something I DID NOT want to do. Not because they would lock me in a closet, but because they would feel let down.
Parents have to instill values - the bedrock of civilized society.
by mojo on Wed Apr 27, 05 9:06pm
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I don't think there was much choice in this case. No, it wasn't the ideal solution. The ideal solution would have been for the teacher to give the kid a much deserved spanking, or even better; if her mom had decided to actually be a parent. But her mom refused to come get the little brat, and the teachers would have faced a number of multimillion dollar lawsuits had they laid a hand on that brat, not to mention losing their jobs with no hope of ever teaching again. Given this, I don't see what else they could have done in this politically correct, lawsuit happy era of ours doing the simplest, rationalist thing will often get you in a lot of trouble. The kid was a danger to herself and others, she was damaging the school, and of course preventing everyone else from getting an education. Leaving her there wouldn't have been a good idea, sending her to the principles office didn't work, that being said I don't think there were many options left.
I was severely punished when I got home from school for doing things no where near as bad, or even worse if my parents came to pick me up. That's what her mom should have done, instead she figured she'd won the lottery and dialed a lawyer (the mom is suing). Given this attitude towards parenting and the schools inability to actually discipline this brat, I think she should get used to having cuffs slapped on her regurally.
taser's for teachers.2 or 3 little rug rats quivering on the floor peeing themselves,should keep the classrooms quieter
lol, good idea quinn :-D
If she was white there would've been a holy uproar, believe me.
There's a holy uproar now. The media is making a huge deal out of this, and the police department is already being sued.
ACtually if it were a white kid I think most people on here would say she had it coming and there'd be no national uproar.
I think it was a little bit extreme. No matter how she was acting, 3 police officers should have been able to handle it without handcuffs. I felt really bad for that little girl and seeing her crying like that was rough. I hope it didn't scar her too much emotionally.
I hate to break it to ya Patch, but I think that little girl may have already been emotionally scarred before those events occured..
This girls mother is a dunce and should have supported the school and police. Think about it the kid goes ape shit tries to hit her teacher and disrupts the whole damn school. What should they have done? Hold her by the wrist as she squirms causing bruising. The police would have got sued for that too. It's obvious the mother comes from a culture of filth. The little shit is lucky she didn't get kicked out of the school district for the stunt she pulled.
She's most likely a welfare mom just looking for a paycheck in the form of a lawsuit against the police.
Don't like what I say tough shit. If my kid acted like that I'd have a hankerin for some spankerin.
Well, if any good will come of this, it will be the advent and popularization of Mattel's new "My First Handcuffs"--smaller, less threatening plastic handcuffs; available in both pink AND blue!
Unfortunately LCB parents like you are in short supply these days. Now when a kid screws up the parents are more likely to get a lawyer then they are to go out and cut a switch. And the results are rather expected.
No. Handcuffs on a five year old? That's unconscionable. I don't care what she was doing, such treatment is blatant child abuse. How can anyone possibly think it's acceptable to treat a five year old in this way? No wonder our society is fu*ked up. We treat children like herded animals: Conform to the system or be crushed by the system. No wonder so many children are depressed and the teen suicide rate is so high. Children who are treated as criminals invariably grow up to be criminals, or, at the very least, to feel completely worthless.
I'm not suggesting she should have completely 'got away' with that kind of behavior, since hitting a teacher is obviously wrong, but there are much better ways than this to deal with young children.
"It's obvious the mother comes from a culture of filth."...
" She's most likely a welfare mom just looking for a paycheck in the form of a lawsuit against the police." - lowerclassbrats.
WTF LCB? How can you assume all that without even knowing the kid's background or the mother's circumstances? You know I respect you and you often make sense, but this time I'm at a loss to understand why you would make such a denouncement without knowing the whole story.
I agree with LCB.
by mojo on Thu Apr 28, 05 7:50am
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Wow. I strongly disagree with both of you, but life would be boring if we always agreed.
Zig: what should they have done?
Can't say as I've been following this, so I readily admit to not knowing details.
Handcuffs, in police work, have several purposes:
* To restrain/ restrict suspects who may pose a danger to officers, bystanders, or themselves.
* As a badge of shame
* As a psychological form of subdual.
I do not know the particulars of this case, so can't say with certainty if such treatment was merited. It does seem a bit ... extreme. Then again, calling police in to deal with an out-of- control 5-year-old strikes me as bizarre. I have physically restrained children throwing tantrums, before ... as well as an adult or two ... without hurting them and without requiring restraints.
And without having to call the police.
Well kids have been acting up since the beginning of time. Handcuffing a little kid, especially with three big police officers doing it, is wrong. Lowerclass, sometimes tough love is the answer, but that is up to the parent and it can't mean physical abuse. I'm not a parentm, so I apoligize if I'm over stepping here, but come one...any parent would be outraged by this. It's not like she was committing a criminal act or was armed! No, in this case, it was too much. But just to be wishy-washy here...maybe there is more to the story. I think the end reslut of this will be that the child will be more agressive and not less.
Must we be so caught up in Justice and What People Deserve that we forget common sense? It's a kid! If she's throwing a tantrum, I'd pick her up, set her in a chair, and hold her there until she calmed down.
I'd also try talking to her, during this time. We make assumptions all the time, but we can't dismiss, a priori, that there may not have been some reason or provocation.
If not, calm her down (we're bigger than her, after all) and deal with appropriate discipline if needed, primarily by parents. If parents can't/ won't ... you address that when it is determined.
Upon consideration, I don't see handcuffs as being required or appriate. The officers were, no doubt, acting on instinct and unused to dealing with children of this age.
If worse came to worse, they should have paddled her butt. But putting cuffs on a child? More insanity from American's most insane state: Florida.
Cath: you think the teachers or cops should have physically restrained the child? You know what would have happened to them if they had? Not a single one would have a job the next day, and they'd be slapped with a ridiculously large lawsuit.
herzog: It's very common for young children to act out and have tantrums and 99 times out of 100 they respond to reason. If the assistant principal had used her smarts and had employed interpersonal skills instead of calling the police, the girl would have calmed down in no time. Apparently, the little girl in question didn't want to take part in a math game for some reason, so... Why didn't the asst. principal engage her in conversation in an effort to understand why she didn't want to participate? Perhaps the child was scared of anything to with math., and if so, someone should have cared enough to find out the root cause of her fear. It could be that the child's outburst had nothing to do with not wanting to do math. that day at all, but at that age, when verbal communication skills may not be fully mastered, there is almost always a case for gentle questioning to find out what the feelings are behind such behavior. I'm not a child psychologist, but I am a mother, and if children act out like this there is usually an underlying cause which needs to be addressed. We shouldn't be treating five-year-olds like common criminals. They are little people who deserve our concern, our respect and, dare I say it, our loving care. That's just my opinion.
'It's very common for young children to act out and have tantrums and 99 times out of 100 they respond to reason. If the assistant principal had used her smarts and had employed interpersonal skills instead of calling the police, the girl would have calmed down in no time'
Obviously you didn't watch the video, I recomend you do. They did nothing but try to reason with her, for about half an hour, no results.
They were trying your touchy feely methods (without any actual touching of course) and there were no results, except a lot of damage to the classroom and principles office. Yes children need love, they also need a good swat on the rear every now and then. But since the bleeding hearts have decided that is child abuse people can't do that anymore. So they did the next best thing and got this kid out of the school so they could go on with the day, and probably taught her a valuable lesson in the process. Although I doubt it will help her, as mom seems to be the type who'll just blame it all on the racist cops and sue (she is suing) thus negating any good that may have come from this.
Also, I have never once in my life been smacked, spanked or yanked in any way by my parents and none of my brother's and sisters were either. We turned out okay and believe me, I used to throw fits like you would not believe. But I can remember my parents talking to me about my behavior once I had calmed down, so I guess it worked. At least I hope it did. Someone on here piss me off and lets see how I react. Who's up to the challenge? :)
Herzog, I did watch the video. Twice. And those grown adults allowed that child to get further and further out of control by their own ineffective methods. I felt quite embarrassed for them, they were obviously unfit to be around children.
Unlike the 'bleeding hearts' you refer to, I see nothing wrong with the odd quick swat on the backside (by parents) as a last resort. Occasional spanking doesn't spell child abuse, but handcuffing little kids most definitely does, imo, and the only lesson that little girl learned on that day is that teachers and police are not to be trusted. The experience has probably ruined any chance of her ever desiring an education as she will forever associate authority figures such as teachers as being the enemy. If I were her mother I'd fight this all the way to the Supreme Court.
I forgot about one incident. My second grade teacher taped my mouth shut for talking, but she made me keep the tape on for hours! I swear, it was horrible because it was really hard to swallow and I was so thirsty. She got fired for that and I don't feel bad about that. That once incident did make me resent teachers for a long time. Even now, if I think a teacher is being too dominant over me, I will act out towards them. I mean, I wouldn't hit one, but I have thought about doing stuff to them after school. Maybe that b*tch of a teacher that taped my mouth closed caused some kind of emotional scaring?? Not sure, but I know it bothered me for a long time and in some small way, still does...it was humiliating, uncomfortable and just bizare of her to do that.
Sadists and control freaks should never be teachers.
I am not shocked by the comments of LCB, I am however shocked that Mojo agreed with him...however, it is your right to do so. This child, yes, "child," was sitting in a chair calmly when the 3 officers arrived to attempt to place her in handcuffs. What was the point of attempting to place her in handcuffs if she was not acting out? What was the point attempting to place her in handcuffs in the first place? Some of the response to this ballot is unbelieveable and quite frankly, some are not surprising...
Can anyone show the lasting and irreparable harm this child was caused by being handcuffed? I would say the mother's shortcomings as a parent are more damaging to the child than being restrained via handcuffs.
That's debatable. I don't know what the mother's shortcomings are, or if she even has any. Does anyone? As for attempting to calculate what lasting harm may have been done to this child... I can only guess at that, but I believe harm WAS done, definitely. This kid was emotionally and mentally violated, as any kid would be in the same situation.
I'm sure everyone agrees it's a mother's job to provide her child with the tools to succeed in life. Tools such as self control and respect for others. It is here where this mother is an utter failure. It's easier for this mother to blame the school and police than for her to apologize for her daughters actions, take the appropriate disciplinary measures, and admit her short comings as a parent. I see it every day first hand, I live in a pretty trashy area. Little shits screaming, cussing, destroying others property, but don't correct these bastards or tell'em to stop cause welfare mommy is gonna be real angry. No accountability today no respect for the rights of others. Unsupervised children running wild while the parents are on drugs and collect welfare and section 8. The little girl can learn the consequences of her actions now or she can learn it later as an adult, but I'll bet you when she's an adult the police wont be as gentle with her. Better for her to learn her lesson now, but I doubt she will.
We might consider that this kid has emotionally and mentally violated her classmates through her outbursts.
Good grief!!! Do you really believe that rant? Somehow I doubt it, LCB. You know as well as anyone that the responsiblity comes from BOTH parents, not just the mother. As for the rest of it: You sweep with a broad brush. How can you or I, or anyone judge this particular situation without being in possession of all the facts? The mother of this child happens to be a single parent who works - not a welfare mommy as you assumed - and that's a horrendously difficult job. Ask yourself this: If you were a single parent who, for whatever reason, was unable to drop your work day to rush to your kid's school at the drop of a phone call, and later found out that your kid had been arrested and bound in hand and ankle cuffs... Wouldn't you be pissed? I know I would, and I'd press charges and fight all the way to the top. No question.
If my child acted like this kid I would applaud the school and officers actions.
Her classmates weren't even present when the outburst took place. You know that and I know that. No, it was just a little girl and some inept grown-ups who seemed not to remember the meaning of common sense.
You would applaud them before you protected your own kid? I somehow doubt that, really.
Nice try Zig, I do commend you for your fairness, respect, and your willingness to stedfastly stick to your principles and what is righteous...I would like to ask one question of lcb and then Mojo. If the child was a blue eyed blond, would you (lcb)assumed that the mother was a welfare mother? and would you had agreed with lcb broad brush assessment of that mother Mojo?
All the facts weren't in evidence when lcb made his comment regarding mom being a welfare mother. Also, the face of the true welfare Queen is that face of a Caucasian woman and not a Black woman. This lie has been told for ages and many people took that lie and ran with it. Also, the primary population that benefits mostly from quotas are, no, you guess wrong again, Caucasian women, not people of color. Now, I know there will be those here on this site that will request proof, proof, and some more proof. If you can read this commentary, you can search out the proof yourselves. Why should I go and provide the proof so that those who are in deep denial can invent excuses why the proof I certainly can provide is not accurate and/or untrustworthy...There are those on this site who can't handle the truth regarding race and that is those individuals' choice.
I don't see how this is a racial issue, it's more about a dirt bag mother and her inability to discipline her child. Blame the police, blame the school but never blame yourself. BBC: you know that if this kid was white we wouldn't have heard a peep from the media. The media sees this as a way to stir up racial tensions and in turn get ratings. I stand by my staments as they are general observations I have made through living in shit neighborhoods.
The mothers behavior screams low class and that's my point.
well, I guess so does my username.
You don't know a thing about the mother and you still can find it within yourself to speak ill of her, your choice and others who agree with you...
P.S. and to refer a 5 year old little girl as a, "little sh*t," speaks volumes to your apathy towards children...Also, your statement, "I don't see how this is a racial issue," perhaps if you would remove the racial blinders, you will be able to see the incident for what it really is...Your insult of this child and her mother is duly noted...
Of Course YOU would think this was a racial issue. Give me a break. Thats all you do is complain about race when most people could care less what color anyone else is BBC. You are racist as hell dude/woman/shemale... whatever you are!
Okay BBC you win the mother's a saint and the little shits an angel.
Lowerclassbrats, from reading your views, it appears that you feel the mother is "lower class," negligent shomehow and responsible, so therefore the state, school and the police are fully within their rights to step in, handcuff a little 5 year old kid and take control. Kind of scary, don't you think? Have you considered that maybe the kid is emotionally disturbed? What if she suffers from an undiagnosed mental illness? You think handcuffs are appropritate for a 5 year old that acted out, but did not commit a crime? And, you say that you would applaud the police and school if they did that to one of your children who had acted out...I hope you don't mean that.
Thats much better LCB...
No I do not believe it was necessary for 3 armed police officers to take a 5 year old child and handcuff her and the mother has every right for being upset! And also herzog I see no reason for calling her a little brat when you honestly have no idea what this child might be going through on the inside or why she acted the way she did.
Lcb I like you but in my opinion what you said about her being a little shit(sorry about that) was just wrong. And what would it matter if her mother was on welfare or a millionare? well I guess if she had lots of money you wouldn't have people saying she just wants money.
If it was my child I would probably do far worse than just sue.
I kin think of THREE year olds
that need handcuffing from time to time!!
BRATS are BRATS.
Do YOU have a BRAT??
A child that makes you proud when you carry it to the supermarket?
What's your child like???
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