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Well at least we aren't anywhere near France!
emgland ? hmm
what does france have to do with it?
As far as i can see england did the best thing by getting rid of all the mad, unstable religious types. Our country has been a lot more civilised since then ;)
america would have lost the war of independance without france. where did the statue of liberty come from??
king alf the great protestant diplomat ha ha
some god botherer said no!!!!!
I never thought about the ballot question. not sure how I feel about it
You're listening to the main stream press. Don't be fooled by what you hear and see on TV. It's not nearly as bad as you think. Besides, America has always been somewhat conservative religiously and religion has played a very large in our society since our fouding. Religion has been in politics for the past 200 or more years...hence why we've mostly had only Protestant Presidents. Don't know what else to say other than people's perception is way off on this.
Right Irish republican its quite simple really...You cant admit you needed theyre help to win. why cant we admit we needed your help to lose. your a prick my friend and thats all you are
The first part makes no sense. cornwallis was the major force. You can state as much as you like but it doesnt make it true. That battle of britain was won before you joined the war. When are you going to start makins points republican rightwang? oh sorry should that have been an I?
Im glad that is what is true for you patch. seriously. but look at slavering rightwing. im glad he doesnt live here!
There is definitely more than a little truth in what you say, Mobsie. During the past 4 years, the religious right has made major inroads into civil liberties, and they threaten even more.
And the connection between becoming what we fled from (i.e. religious persecution and intolerance) is on point, although perhaps not as severe as it probably was in the England of that period.
There are still a lot of us who do what we can to deter this erosion of liberty -- and, we are hopeful that this is just a cycle of history.
Problem is that once the intolerant assume power, it is really hard to dislodge them.
Enjoyed your thoughts. Thanks.
And the place the Pilgims and Puritants landed at and created, the "Shining City on a Hill" Boston, Massachusetts and New England (the celebration of Christmas was banned here well into the 19th century) are arguably the most secular area of the United States.
But that's because of all the Irish, Italian, and German heathens who immigrated to it. You know the people who you British and Euros complain about as being hicks and fanatics are primarily rural white anglo saxon protestant and Scotch/Irish. The same people who gave you 30 years of martial law in Northern Ireland. The most secular areas of the country (The big cities, Cali,) are all primarily ethnic Catholic areas.
Good question. Bizarre debate though.
Patch is correct
It hasn't. Sometimes the intolerance makes my blood boil but it's nowhere near what we left in England. In terms of religious freedom we're a bit behind Europe but remember who set the ball in motion.
What bothers me is people who Judge Americans when they have never even been to America.
I'm not sure what its like in England but I know here in the United States that I'm still free to worship as I please attend any church I like while other places in the world people are killed just for speaking about God! I'm glad that I can stand up for what i believe without being worried about being killed.
We now have more taxation without representation than we ever did.
exarmydude.
I think your missing the point somehow. Its about why america is now more puritanical. This is clearly true. There is a slight bias towards religion in the conservative party but nowhere near as much as the republicans.
Kisty I dont need to be in america to watch George bush rant on about god.
Rightwing The battle of britain was the turning point of ww2 and although there were foreign pilots were used it was because there were few people left capable of flying.(being dead) These people flew sortie after sortie with no sleep sometimes for 3 days. Show some respect. and try and stick to the point of the ballot.(yeah right says everyone)
Oh and Thc2883 I think you`ll find that was Jesus
I wonder if it had been another country that went into Iraq instead of the United States if people would feel the same way about it as they do now in my opinion no.
"I wonder if it had been another country that went into Iraq instead of the United States if people would feel the same way about it as they do now in my opinion no."
by Kisty on May 04,2005
france does what it pleases in it's former african colonies and the world (including the UN and US) barely utters a peep.
exarmydude.
"I think your missing the point somehow. Its about why america is now more puritanical. This is clearly true. There is a slight bias towards religion in the conservative party but nowhere near as much as the republicans"
by mobsie666 on May 04, 2005
I didn't "miss the point" at all. I was right on target. I clarified the situation. You need and needed a more sophisticated understanding of this huge country and it's many regions, racial,ethnic, religious and non-religious,groups. I should point out this is still a stable democracy and the constitution and bill of rights are in place and 99% of the time adhered to (no one is perfect.)The patriot act is crappy but not nearly as bad (regarding civil liberties) or draconian as the british (and others) anti-terrorism laws. BTW: there is in the US (unlike the UK/Angican/Church of England) no established state religion. never has been. Unlike Queen ELizebeth, The American head of state isn't the head of a state established and sponsered religion.
Oh but you are missing the point. Your own countrymen say its not a democracy. your own constitution calls it a republic. Regardless of the vaguries of size america is a deeply divided country. You dont really understand whats going on here either. They tried a similar thing to the patriot act and it was thrown out. Please tell me what these draconian anti terrorist laws are for this is a new one to me. Also I merely point to the fact that Bush (you know your president) Uses god as an excuse and has the full backing and vote of the largest single christian denomination in america. As for the queen, well, if you seriously think that the queen makes any choices whatsoever then you are misguided. She may have the title head of state but she cannot make decisions. Also because of this it stops religion becoming an issue in any decisions made by parliament. You may think your bang on the mark but from here it looks like your a little naive.
I'm aware the United States is a consitutional republic. Actually a constitutional republic is more preferable for individual rights OVERALL than a true democracy. But you are guilty of semantics with this one mobsie.
"Regardless of the vaguries of size america is a deeply divided country. You dont really understand whats going on here either."
by mobsie666 on May 4, 2005
Once again you are making a pompous assertion by making the broad assumption that American (you aren't American) is a "deeply divided country", yet you chastise me (I'm not British)that I "...don't really know what's going on here (Britain)..." You have a double standard. You are all knowing but I'm a ignorant colonial. Please. I've stated a million times my mom is english, I've been there more than once and as part of my job I inter-act with people from the UK and elsewhere on a regular basis. We frequently talk politics, culture, etc., Please stop assuming I'm neither a moronic anglo-phile who's only knowledge of Britain is royal weddings and dr. who nor am I a ignorant anglo-phobe. I have a healthy respect for the pluses and minuses of Britain as I see them. Ditto America.
Britain sucks. That is why you have to attack others. You are a class conscious racist society.
"...She (the queen) may have the title head of state but she cannot make decisions. Also because of this it stops religion becoming an issue in any decisions made by parliament. You may think your bang on the mark but from here it looks like your a little naive."
by mobsie666 on May 04, 2005
What are you trying to say? It's not coherent.
No, we are not a land of Puritans. Most of us our religious however, and we do believe in freedom of speech.
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