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COMMENTS:
I think their success has made them super-arrogant. They are at the point where they don't feel they have to answer to anyone, and they're probably right.
So no, I don't think they are risking anything.
by mojo on Wed May 18, 05 12:58pm
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I think this will catch up to them, eventually. The unholy alliance that exists today cannot stand forever; it will fracture even more quickly if they maintain power for any length of time. That's when the infighting will really get going.
Our king is a clown
by Jyl on Wed May 18, 05 1:27pm
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They've come to the point that democrats were at several years ago, a dominate majority. And like the democrats they may become a victim of their own success, choosing to forgo their ideological perogatives (which got them in power in the first place) and instead spend money like crazy trying to appease every little group out there. This is starting to happen already, and if so they'll turn into another group of democrats. Perhaps the democrats will change their views and favor smaller government, less spending, fewer entitlements, etc and get back into power that way.
It'll be interesting to watch.
I certainly hope so.
but I thought "Moral Values" is what 'got them into power in the first place'
And do you wanna talk about wasting money all over the place?
I'm sorry but the pnac/bible-pushing majority scares me more than those evil democrat meanies ever could.
by Jyl on Wed May 18, 05 4:29pm
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What got them into power was pretending to have moral values. What the conservatives have discovered is that appearing to serve goodness, while actually serving evil, can be a very successful strategy.
Totally! The one thing I've learned about the US is that the people are fickle. Go too far in one direction and without warning, the people will turn on you. Mojo also hit the nail on the head -- arrogance. I just read about Bill Frist broadcating on a giant TV to religious revivals and getting them all riled up to stop judicial nomination filibustering. Word of warning to the Right: watch out.
(what i said^ was response to some genius's comment up there, not the ballot or Fiddle.)
by Jyl on Wed May 18, 05 10:20pm
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No I think that some of your assumptions may be wrong. I am not "re-debating" Schiavo but that issue crossed ideological lines. I think a better example would be the office of the president trying to encourage marriage. Hard to forget was Bush's visit to Bob Jones University (since I am a Catholic).
Republicans don't have to worry about political suicide by impressing Religious Christians they have to worry about political suicide by IGNORING the Religious Christians. It is generally hard to understand for "non-Cons" but there is a definite force out there who believe in what they call family and traditional values. In some cases I agree with them, but in many I think they are trying to return to some fictional time when everything was perfect in the US. Often cited are the 50's. But only a cursory look at the 50's reveal it to be a decade of terrible oppression and fear. Two examples are Jim Crow and the threat of nuclear war.
There is no chance that either party will committ suicide although I sometimes wish the Dems would just go away, I don't think that the US would ultimately be better without them. I agree with alot of what Dems have to say. And when you talk about Dems like Sam Nunn, Sen Patrick Moynihan, Sen Zell Miller, Sen John Breaux, or even Sen Al Gore (pre1988 election run).
The Democrats have controlled the House and the Senate for nearly 50 years prior to 1994. And they seem to be the ones who are committing political suicide.
Here is an example:
Jimmy Carter had Michael Moore sitting with him at the Democrat Convention. Now, when you look at the Democrats it is NOT a party of liberals, yet there seems to be a noticeable shift to the left. Many Democrats feel about Michael Moore and even Jimmy Carter the same way many Republicans feel. This leftward lurch with Reed calling the president a loser, Kennedy falsely accusing the president of lying, Dean saying that the sitting House Majority Leader should go back to Texas to serve his jail sentence when he has been convicted of nothing, and having the San Francisco Liberal Nancy Pelosi as Minority Leader are all indicative of intolerance of the Democrats.
I really have not heard one legitimate proposal from the Democrats in a long time. They are right there to condemn but never to promote an agenda. When the Democrats articulate an agenda that the majority of Americans will support is when they will recapture what they have lost. Not until then.
I mean can anyone even tell me if there is a leader of the Democrats apart from the junior Senator from New York?
I want a vigourous debate not petty "pot-shotting" of the Democrats.
I don't view the term "religious right" as being dirty. So to answer your question, no.
One hopes.
Interesting ballot.Thanks.
Inter_regnum: It is very difficult to tell how you feel about these issues. @:>)
With reference to your assertion that "when the democrats articulate an agenda that the majority of Americans support...they will, what? Return to office?
Well, maybe or maybe not.
You musn't forget that the "majority" of American voters supported Al Gore in 2000 to no avail. So, what's majority got to do with it?
The fact is that the Republicans have been instructing the Democrats in how to cause people to vote against their interests, and I think you will experience a graduate seminar in this method in '08.
And, that "Junior Senator from New York?" Oh, she will be the Leader of the Free World in '08.
Enjoyed your comments and the banter.
If a stiff like Al Gore can get the majority of the popular vote, what do you think a charismatic woman like Hillary Clinton can do?
Final note (unless directly attacked @:>):
The primary concern for ALL Americans should be the fact that our freedom is being hijacked by Political Action Committees and Lobbyists. I think all of us, whatever your political stripe, should be alarmed at how Special Interests are preempting freedom.
griff the junior Senator will get elected only if she abandons her liberal positions and makes a hard right turn.
She is already doing that with her comments on abortion and illegal immigration. The junior Senator is unelectable nationally, just like the other junior Senator from Tenn was.
It doesn't matter if you win the popular vote. Why do you even bring that up. IT DOESN'T MATTER MAN!!!. I am not saying that I support the electoral college just that that is the way the game is played. I haven't heard anyone since it was proven unequivocally (except to the ideologues like cranky) that Bush won Florida is '00. The New York Times, USA Today and the Miami Herald along with a couple of left-wing colleges have all demonstrated that it is beyond a doubt. any way you count the votes Bush won. Also that doesn't count how many votes were stolen from the military, and also the votes that the Democrats stole in places like St. Louis.
Now can you remember that JFK didn't really win the election but Nixon had the manners to not challenge the election. He should have because it has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that over 500,000 votes were put in the bag by the Texas and Chicago machines.
And what do you get for all this harping.
Spot on, Jyl. The emperor has no clothes.
Great observation!
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