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WHAT COUNTRY HAS THE BEST NAVY IN THE WORLD?


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created Thu May 19, 05

What country has the best navy, based on technology, training, and ship design? Don't go by navy size because U.S.A. would automatically win. Size of ships is good though.

U.S.A.
England
Germany
Russia
China
France
Isreal
Canada
Australia
Spain
Switzerland
Poland
Sweden. Has US navy found that submarine yet?
Zimbabwe!
holland
singapore
philippines
italy
Great Britain
norway
Portugal
Bolivia!!!
serbia
brazil
JAPAN !!!!!!
Moldova
Greece
Malaysia
Republic of Ireland
scotland (nuclear subs mother fuckers
chile
namibia
PAKISTAN !!!!!!!!
Republic of Korea
BHUTAN
Mongolia
israel
India (they took care of pirates)
somalia


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COMMENTS:
Woops England/UK
by USRocks on Thu May 19, 05 6:59pm [+]

Can't imagine how you feel about this issue, US. @:>)
by xxxxxxxx on Thu May 19, 05 7:02pm [+]

In terms of technology, the U.S. is making quantum leaps over other navies, but in terms of size, we're not that big anymore.
by Truthseeker013 on Thu May 19, 05 7:43pm [+]

The patrol boats on Lake Leman and the Bodensee are operated by Swiss Army pioneers, Steel ;-)
by DingleDUNG on Thu May 19, 05 11:31pm [+]

The answer is quite obvious.The USA.
by Republican_RightWing on Fri May 20, 05 7:25am [+]

I think the Brits have a lot of the same technology and design elements we do with better trained sailors.
by thc2883 on Fri May 20, 05 8:51am [+]

Poland has some kick-ass screen doors on their glass bottom submarines.
by _Beelzebubba on Fri May 20, 05 8:58am [+]

the size of a navy is unimportant really.
the spanish armada was much bigger than our navy but we still beat them.
it is about skilled seamanship not size.
britain needs to be beaten before anyone else lays claim to ruling the waves
by brit4ever on Fri May 20, 05 12:58pm [+]

Brits have the third best Navy after US and Russia.
by Republican_RightWing on Fri May 20, 05 3:06pm [+]

The Royal Nay-Vee of England without a doubt. I saw Monty Python's recruitment skit.
by THX1138 on Sat May 21, 05 6:17am [+]

brit4ever
Size is certainly important. If two navies are about the same magnitude then skill comes into play. And don't forget the Spanish armada was softened up by mother nature.
by thc2883 on Sat May 21, 05 7:03am [+]

Thats is why I said don't count navy size. Do I have to say it twice?
by USRocks on Sat May 21, 05 12:20pm [+]

republican_rightwing.
how does it have the third best in the world?
you are talking about size again.
i will again say that until another country beats the RN then they cannot claim to have the best.
why did you come to the conclusion that america is any better than russia?

thc2883.
was the RN not in the same weather conditions?
did the RN do more damage than the armada?
by brit4ever on Tue May 24, 05 10:31am [+]

Ok guys lets talk about modern navies. That was quite a while ago.
by USRocks on Thu May 26, 05 4:47pm [+]

who normally wins the manouvers that would be a better debate or conclusion...
by Upstandingmale on Thu Jul 14, 05 6:17am [+]

The Royal Navy
by BritishEmpire on Sat Jul 16, 05 1:03pm [+]

Ok...i'd naturally say the Royal Navy is the best being buyest...you only have to look at the battle of Trafalgar to see that..against the French..Nelson v Napolean and Napolean also had the spaniards too..they outnumbered us by ..i dunno 600 ships or something stupid....but we beat them..saying that i admire the US Navy in terms of it's size and it's an awesome sight when one of her carriers are in the dock at Portsmouth....
by Brit_Airborne on Thu Aug 04, 05 7:57am [+]

"Brits have the third best Navy after US and Russia."

-- RUSSIA?
based on what?
size?
sleek designs of their ships?
Their stuff works only marginally..
by aplmac on Mon Apr 17, 06 9:43am [+]

the royal nvay easy nothing to do with size but we have the best trained sailors and the new type 45 destroyer is the best in the world hands down
by Guest User from [62.254.32.23] on Tue May 09, 06 6:25am [+]

for all you smart asses Sweden does have a navy equipped with stealth ships.
by USRocks on Fri Jun 23, 06 2:25pm [+]

The UK has the greatest Navy on the planet,probably because they are a island nation.
by Corrupt on Thu Jul 06, 06 9:44am [+]

1)U.S.A 2)Britain 3)Russia
Britain is ten times better trained then the russian navy but Russia has nuclear submarines. (Dont know if Britain does) but if it came down to it Britain would crush the Russian navy. Britain has ruled the navy for the longest times and has used that in the past to win many wars. I only put the United States in front because they do cover the most land and have a huge leap over any other navy. With nuclear powered ships that only need refuled every 20 years. Also the United States navy is constantly at work to protect the ocean around North America to make sure terrorists do not enter Canada,United States or Mexico with any Nuclear Weapons.
by US_MarineCorp69 on Fri Aug 04, 06 5:18pm [+]

Yes britain has nuclear submarines. At the mo we have 4 bombers which weigh sixteen thousand tonnes and have trident nuclear missles on board and we have 11 attack nuclear powered submarines which are getting replaced with the newer astute class
by Guest User from [88.106.239.33] on Thu Aug 10, 06 4:35am [+]

US first, followed by the UK.
Not sure after that.
by Lemming on Tue Aug 15, 06 12:37pm [+]

England doesn't have a navy.
by spartan001 on Mon Aug 21, 06 2:23pm [+]

thats why the first comment was Woops England/UK
by USRocks on Tue Aug 22, 06 6:18pm [+]

Keeping size out of it, I'd say the Royal Navy. The Royal Navy in terms of Technology is equivelent to the US. A lot of US Navy technology came from the Royal Navy, just look at the US aircraft carriers. They are essentially British design (steam catapult, angled flight deck, landing guidance system).

The Royal Navy is in the process of re-building its strength after the crippling reductions it has faced during the cold war. Also with its 2 new large aircraft carriers and type 45 destroyers coming up its deployment capability will greatly increase.

Basing this on Blue Water Navy Status, the US Navy and Royal Navy are the leaders followed by France (the 3 blue water navies of the world). Although it must be said although other Navies may not be a Blue Water navy, they still can be an essential part in any alliance.
by Guest User from [144.98.76.45] on Thu Aug 24, 06 2:43am [+]

I wonder how good the Chinese Navy really is. I've heard many say that although they don't have as many ships there technology/design is up to par with US. How true is this?
by Guest User from [75.15.232.155] on Wed Aug 30, 06 9:00pm [+]

Not trying to be bias towards the ballot just answering your question..the US navy has more tonnage than the next 17 navies combine so really china has not much if you are comparing. Actually China doesn't have as much ships as the Royal navy so not that much. They had an aircraft carrier but turned it into a floating recreation center for some reason. Parked in a harbour. In terms of technology they are laughable.
by USRocks on Sun Sep 03, 06 7:33pm [+]

The royal navy has a long history of punching above its weight! Because of this they have to be regarded as the best navy the world has ever seen. IMO
by Guest User from [81.174.141.107] on Sat Sep 23, 06 9:20pm [+]

it is obvious Britain has the greatest. Last time they had a war with u.s.a, they won easily, thanks to the navy.Also, the british navy has larger ships, and more recruits then all the rest.
by Guest User from [195.93.21.102] on Mon Sep 25, 06 12:46pm [+]

maybe because the last time Britian was at war with the United states it had just a few ships used for gaurding the coast.
by USRocks on Sun Oct 01, 06 10:50am [+]

^ I also said stick with modern terms
by USRocks on Mon Oct 02, 06 10:38am [+]

Zimbabwe yeah right. Dutch navy isnt big but the technology is the best in the world. Size isnt everything. By the way did you know that dutch navy has conquered london in the past but left when a peace treaty was signed. It`s know as road to chatham or something like that
by Guest User from [213.51.101.17] on Fri Oct 06, 06 12:49pm [+]

One loss means nothing. Our naval history is far better than yours, and until the end of the 1st world war, we were undeniably the best.

Our technology is better than the Dutch Navy, by the way. Please look up facts.
by Lemming on Thu Oct 12, 06 9:43am [+]

Ohh dear...You Americans are so arrogant. Why are you so war hungry, i watched an upsetting collarged piece of footage on the world trade centre getting sabotaged and it was actully quite sad. THEN...it cuts to music of DMX and it portrays 'America then kicks arse'. and shows americans bomarding the other country. Maybe so you have a huge army of capacities to do huge damage but every move you have made has been a bad one...i would be imbarrised to be an american, do you not realise other countries can't stand your ways and we are basically laughing at you. Im at university at the moment and i'm friends with Russians, Polish, Italians, scandanavians and they all say how idiotic the americans are..DO YOU NOT REALISE IT YOURSELVES..MAKING POLES WITH THIS SHIT IN..'USA USA USA USA USA'. And other countries sit back and go..there at it again what a bunch of muppets.
by Guest User from [84.66.148.212] on Mon Oct 16, 06 2:10pm [+]

^ouch
by Cantona on Fri Oct 27, 06 7:03pm [+]

^ Guest User go swallow a knife you little bitch with no backbone. Fucking traitor should be hanged with a wire noose.
by USRocks on Mon Oct 30, 06 5:55pm [+]

Does this poll ask if the US has the best navy in the world Guest User you bitch? No it doesn't it is quite fair and unbias so fuck off.
by USRocks on Mon Oct 30, 06 5:56pm [+]

Guest user is most likely someone from this site. It's amazing how bold they get when they don't sign on.
by mindy on Mon Oct 30, 06 6:07pm [+]

I've met many people from around the world. You have plenty of nerve calling Americans arrogant. Europeans are especially arrogant and condescending. It's just your own inferiority complex kicking in. You know how it goes, lets put someone down in order to make ourselves feel superior. You laugh at us? Well at least you take the time to think about us, actually you're fixated on the US. I'll tell you what most Americans think about you. You're like a pimple on our ass. We know you're there but you have no relevence in our lives.
by mindy on Mon Oct 30, 06 6:20pm [+]

^ Yes but it is talk like that which gives people the wrong impression. What our guest user friend said is wrong and i can see why you are a little pissed about it but it is quite true that quite a few Americans don't know anything about the world outside the US and gives off the impression that you don't care. for example, a few days ago i over heard a American lass talking about what she leart about the UK and these are her exact words: "Did you know that the UK isn't just England, i thought it was just England but it is actually split into four, England, Scotland, NEW ZEALAND AND NEW JERSEY." I couldn't help but burst out laughing, i corrected her but i think i was a little too blunt lol.
by spartan001 on Tue Oct 31, 06 8:18am [+]

^ lol yes American youth are quite pathetic sometimes spartan..it is true. But not all. I know a great deal about other nations and people and I am still an average person.
by USRocks on Wed Nov 01, 06 3:14pm [+]

^ Yes i know you are but you can't expect all youths to know much about the world, this was a woman who was at least 25 years old though.
by spartan001 on Thu Nov 02, 06 2:45pm [+]

I dont know what to say other than yes it is pathetic
by USRocks on Thu Nov 02, 06 4:34pm [+]

Mindy, when people make a claim that Americans are arrogant and don't care about anything but America, and claim that's the reason why America's a bad country, it's NOT going to help your case by displaying that exact attitude.
The whole "pimple on our ass" thing doesn't help anyone. That immature reaction is what causes people to mock America, not an inferiority complex(lol). We definitely are relevant by the way.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve by saying "at least you think about us!". When people all around the world think of you like that all the time, it isn't a good thing in any way whatsoever. The only way to make the constant derision of your nation stop is to change the arrogant viewpoints of people like Mindy.

Or just deport people like Mindy to Cuba, whichever's easier.
by Lemming on Sat Nov 04, 06 10:16am [+]

^except lemming Americans don't give 2 shits of who makes fun of them or who doesn't like them. It never has.
by USRocks on Sat Nov 04, 06 11:06am [+]

^Yet you all bitch and moan about it, on every forum of every website.
"0MGZ, the Europeans are having a go again!"
"Why won't you stop!"
"Your points have no merit!"
*generic American insult*
"We don't like you either so there!"

USRocks, you've done this too, don't be so hypocritical.
You complain that American-bashing goes on too much, then say you don't care? bs. That's not what the media is saying. Your country's popularity is at an all-time low, making politics and business harder, plus many more problems. You also said in an earlier thread that "why are the Americans made out to be the bad guys all the time? It really does make us feel alone." And now you're trying to say otherwise?

As much as the arrogant Americans hate to admit it, you DO care that everyone from every other country seems to hate you right now. That attitude isn't helping things either.

I'm sure the more sensible Americans can admit that this is not a situation they like, and it's one they want to change.
by Lemming on Sun Nov 05, 06 7:49am [+]

I never said I don't care lemming I said Americans don't care. To a certain degree i do care if my country is being bashed to no end.
by USRocks on Sun Nov 05, 06 7:55am [+]

Well, if it's true that most Americans don't care, then it will never stop. When people say all these things, about what annoys them so much, only for that to be ignored and their comments disregarded, it never ends.

When the whole hyper-arrogance and in-your-face jigoistic patriotism stops, and you stop sending those fecking cartoons saying how amazing the US is and how it thrashed the UK in the revolutionary war, things would get better. And it would be better for everyone.

But what most of us tend to see is "we're better than you so stfu", and that really needs to stop.
by Lemming on Sun Nov 05, 06 8:15am [+]

Plus Mindy's "we're better than you and we always will be, so shut it" kinda attitude is what's wrong here, and what causes the bashing.

Hear that Mindy? You're what's wrong with your country.
by Lemming on Sun Nov 05, 06 8:16am [+]

Spartan that's true we have people over here that lack knowledge of what's going on outside the US. But this is also true of people from other countries. I have travelled quite a bit. I also work with people from all over the world. My social life includes people from all over, the UK, South Korea, Canada, Mexico, Germany,Japan, Peru ect.... My next door neighbor is part of a program that has youth from all over the world staying at her home for a year while they attend a year of school here. You stated that you heard an American make an American make an ignorant remark about the UK. I'm not going to go into every statement I have heard made about the US but I can assure you that I have heard many ignorant remarks made about my country. I also found another common underlying theme, and that is people tend to view their own country as better than other countries, this includes people from your own country. So ignorance and arrogance is found throughout the world, but the world seems to fixate on Americans. Maybe it's because no other country in the world has such strong impact on world events so our nation gets paid more attention to than others. If we were a third world country I doubt anyone would care what we did or didn't know about the world. Lemming as for my country not being liked, your country isn't exactly on everybodies favorites list (you're not liked very much in europe) and its probably been that way for centuries. What's wrong with our country, well I guess we learned from you.
by mindy on Sun Nov 05, 06 3:33pm [+]

*an American make...only meant to say that once.
by mindy on Sun Nov 05, 06 3:35pm [+]

Oh and for the record lemming. If you go and look at all the comments you have made on this site, the vast majority of what I read is the British this and the British that. It's seems you can't get off the topic. You even think you have the best tv shows...nope I've seen plenty of it and it's just as bad as ours. The vast majority of my comments have nothing to do with the US this or the US that. You're much more of an arrogant Brit than I am an arrogant American.
by mindy on Sun Nov 05, 06 3:51pm [+]

If you go back and read some of what I have said, it's pretty much been along the lines of the US has it's positive and negative sides just like any other country. Just face it lemming you don't like the US and that's okay. You once said you were just responding to american arrogance but it goes deeper than that. You say the world doesn't like us. You know I can go back and find writings from the 1800's, europe didn't even like us back then and we weren't even a superpower.
by mindy on Sun Nov 05, 06 4:29pm [+]

"You're much more of an arrogant Brit than I am an arrogant American."

Don't say that mindy because I don't see you as arrogant,however...
by USRocks on Mon Nov 06, 06 2:00pm [+]

Yes, I know the UK isn't the most popular country, but we're nowhere near as vilified as the US, or France for that matter. (France is probably the most hated by the first world countries.) I didn't say the UK is perfect; I was just saying that most Americans on forums complain when their country is mocked, while not being able to see that it's the arrogance they display that causes it.

No, I don't hate America as such, I hate the attitudes. Yes, you do get alot of coverage in the media, that's not what pisses people off; it's the general "we're better than every other country" thing, coupled with complete ignorance of other countries. No-one can deny it, many Americans claim that they're the best; on almost every forum you'll find a post to that effect. Because many of your population seem oblivious to the world outside them, people get even angrier.
That's what pisses me off.
It's the whole arrogance thing that seems so ubiquitous that's the problem.

But you're right, there is something that goes deeper. When I was younger, a great number of cartoons and shows I watched had episodes that focused on the US revolutionary war. Every single one of them showed the American soldiers to be tough and heroic, while the British soldiers were shown as just crap. They always say how America "kicked our ass", which isn't true at all. One cartoon went far enough to show the British troops simply being scared away, and having the King of England delivering pizza to the President in modern times ffs.
Another cartoon had an episode where the UK won that war, and everything turned into complete shit. Many inventions like the car and telephone (which we invented!) were not invented in this; everyone was in poverty.
The Simpsons has "The Big Book Of British Smiles", where the British are shown to have bad teeth.
Even in films and shows I see now, the same thing seems to be true.
When you grow up with this sort of thing, it really does get to you.

Also, I notice how Americans constantly focus on the revolutionary war (which you only won thanks to the rest of Europe), while completely disregarding the war of 1812, as if it didn't even happen.
And one of the most common things I've heard from Americans on forums like this, for many years now, are that America "saved Britain's ass". Despite America coming into the war late and only because they were attacked, whereas Britain entered the war despite Germany constantly asking us to leave it, AND we won the Battle of Britain ON OUR OWN against massive odds, the common American perception is that everyone did dick-all until they showed up. The Americans are now portrayed as the savior of the world, when in reality the war could have been won without military intervention by America.

I've lived with this for years, we all have. And I hate it. Not America, but things like this.

Anyway, I go on about Britain so much not just because of this, but because it was the main reason I signed up here in the first place. I found an article about Britain here through google, and I talk about here only because of Britain. I talk about other things on other sites.
by Lemming on Mon Nov 06, 06 2:18pm [+]

Oh and I still think we have the best tv in the world, even if we did make Bo Selecta.
by Lemming on Mon Nov 06, 06 2:25pm [+]

Having travelled quite extensively I can say without a doubt that every countries citizens are rather nationalistic and tend to view their country as having better qualities than others. This is not something that is unique to Americans. Some of the most nationalistic people I have met were people from asian countries. It's like I've said before, the US has a very strong impact on the world. I don't think that there is any other country out there that gets put under a microsope the way the US does. If we were a third world country nobody would give a rats ass about us. As far as British bad teeth are concerned, Americans have had far worse things said about them.
by mindy on Mon Nov 06, 06 3:17pm [+]

what the hell cartoons are you watching lemming? Who disregardes the war of 1812? If I remember correctly it was you Brits who after burning down the white house were chased out of Washington by a tornado. Then were slaughtered in New Orleans.
by USRocks on Tue Nov 07, 06 3:59pm [+]

As for the rest of Europe helping America in the revolution..well that shows perfect British ignorance and arrogance. We Americans leave out the war of 1812? You Brits leave out the fact that you hired 30,000 fucking hessians in the American revoution. You also leave out the fact that the French only arrived at the last battle while your royal navy has supplies being shipped right to your troops. You lost it is as simple as that.
by USRocks on Tue Nov 07, 06 4:02pm [+]

You can say that Europe did not help America directly but having three of the greatest superpowers in the world waging war on the British Empire did have a tremendous effect on the out come of the war.

As for the Hessians, well they were members of the British empire, a good 17,000 of them. The Hessians were also not mercs.

I'd like to add that the Union army in the American civil war made good use of British soldiers. You had huge numbers of hessians (total of 216.000 out of 516.000 German born) and over 50,000 British soldiers in their ranks, with over 1,000,000 (45.4%) of British ancestry, with an extra 300.000 coming from other parts of the Empire.
by spartan001 on Wed Nov 08, 06 9:01am [+]

^ So you are talking about 566.000 out of 2.200.000 being British, just over 25% and with a million of them of British origin.
by spartan001 on Wed Nov 08, 06 9:08am [+]

Yes well you still brought over 30,000 hessians aside from the 30,000 troops that landed in New York after lexington and concord. Something britis do not talk about.
by USRocks on Wed Nov 08, 06 3:01pm [+]

^ But we had huge legistical problems, it took weeks to get supplys from Britain and communication with Britain was almost impossible, reports and orders would have been weeks out of date by the time they reached the officers and soldiers. The fact that we were fighting three other superpowers at the time didn't help the war effort either and there is no doubt that if we weren't fighting them aswell we would simply have crushed you. It was a war that we shouldn't have lost but hey shit happens, you won the war good on ya, you deserved it.
by spartan001 on Wed Nov 08, 06 4:43pm [+]

Voted : Canada
In 1981, The NATO exercise Ocean Venture ended with much embarrassment for the U.S. Navy, and more specifically, its enormously expensive aircraft carrier battle groups.

During the exercise, a Canadian submarine slipped quietly through a carrier's destroyer screen, and conducted a devastating simulated torpedo attack on the ship. The submarine was never detected, and when the exercise umpire, a U.S. Navy officer, pronounced the carrier dead, his official report was promptly stamped classified to minimize the potential fallout. Unfortunately, a Canadian submariner leaked the story to a local newspaper, and indicated that this successful Canadian attack on an American supercarrier was by no means an isolated incident. This news caused quite a stir in Congress, and the U.S. Navy had a lot of explaining to do. Why indeed had a small, 1960s-vintage diesel submarine of the under-funded Canadian Navy been able to defeat one of America s most powerful and expensive warships, and with such apparent ease?

There are several possible answers. Firstly, Canadian submariners are extremely well trained and professional. Secondly, at that time, the Oberon submarines used by the Canadian Navy were probably the quietest in the world. A third possible reason, not so commonly stated, and with all due respect, is that the mighty U.S. Navy is simply overrated. It is my humble contention that the U.S. Navy is not all it's cracked up to be, and that is the focus of the present article.

by Guest User from [142.177.241.117] on Thu Nov 23, 06 1:54am [+]


Despite its vastly superior numbers, resources and weapons, the U.S. Navy, the world s only true heavyweight navy, continually fails to vanquish welterweight and lightweight naval powers. This would indicate that training, not big, expensive ships, is the key to naval power. It is training, or lack thereof, that truly undermines the performance of the U.S. Navy. For example, even though the U.S. Navy maintains the most capable submarine fleet in the world (because the Russian fleet is mostly tied up at dockside), their submariners do not currently receive escape training. The Canadian submarine force is tiny, and yet it has the most advanced submarine escape training facility in the world.

The U.S. Navy boasts that its Blue Angels flight team is the world s best, but with their preference for high speed maneuvering over aerobatic artistry, combined with the team's grossly inflated number of maintenance technicians, one has to wonder. The Blue Angels perform with only six F-18 jets, whereas the Canadian Snowbirds fly nine Tutors, which are much older. The Canadian team flies more airplanes, but has a much smaller maintenance team. The Blue Angels have approximately 100 technicians, but the Snowbirds have only about ten.

American technicians are very specialized, and as a result they need lots of them to do the same job that just one Canadian technician can do. This does not sound like an efficient or cost-effective arrangement, to say the least. Through his many best-selling books and movies, author Tom Clancy has created a crisp, sharp, spit-polished, efficient, and patriotic image for the U.S. Navy. Some think he should be a paid Public Relations consultant or recruiter for the U.S. submarine force. It may come as a shock to some of his readers, however, that the American sailors in his books are too good to be true, and that even some American submariners admit their training is not very good. Several recent books have effectively stripped off much of the shiny Hollywood polish on the American submarine force, most notably Petty Officer Andrew Karam s account of life on the USS Plunger, Rig Ship for Ultra Quiet (2002), and Douglas C. Waller s Big Red (2001). Both authors (Karam served on the submarine USS Plunger) said that there is a lot of hype regarding U.S. submarine training, but the reality is much less impressive. As for the legendary assertion that all U.S. submariners are experts on every system in their boats, one sailor told Waller that was All bunk. Waller explained that The (submariner s) qualification only made you familiar with the rest of the boat. It didn t mean you could actually run other parts. If (the sailor) and the other missile techs suddenly died, those nukes in the back wouldn't have a clue how to fire these rockets. Petty Officer Karam, an Engineering Laboratory Technician, concurred, and acknowledged that he could only work on other systems in a pinch . He continued The Plunger, and, for that matter, any nuke boat, was sufficiently complex that one person simply could not learn everything to that level of detail in the 14 months we were given to qualify. Not if they were doing their own jobs, too.

British allies, of course, have long ridiculed American submariners for spending too much time and effort learning about nuclear reactors. Surprisingly, Waller wrote that some U.S. Navy officers quietly agree. The Drill Coordinator on the USS Nebraska, Lieutenant Brent Kinman, told Waller that American submariners talk too much about the reactor, like mechanics, and not enough about how to fight the ship effectively: That was the problem with today s submariners, Kinman thought. They were technicians rather than warriors. The average lieutenant riding these boats considered himself a nuclear engineer first and a submarine officer second. It almost feels like we re out there just driving the reactor around This overemphasis on engineering might explain why diesel submarines are so often triumphant against U.S.N. nuclear submarines during exercises.

Conclusion

The U.S. Navy is the largest navy in the world, and on paper, certainly the most powerful. Of that there is no doubt. With the Russian Navy all but gone, the American navy remains the dominant sea power in the world. Yet, as we have seen here, this heavyweight navy often has great difficulty handling the little guys. Indeed, if the U.S. Navy were a boxer, one might say that his dominance is due mostly to his sheer size because he punches well below his massive weight. In this era of asymmetrical warfare, of David versus Goliath conflicts, perhaps it is time for America to rethink its naval strategy, lose some weight, and as sports announcers say, focus more on the fundamentals.

For all the money America spends on its huge navy, it really needs to be much better.

The Author

Roger Thompson is Professor of Military Studies at Knightsbridge University and a Fellow of the Inter-University Seminar on Armed Forces and Society. His book Brown Shoes, Black Shoes, and Felt Slippers: Parochialism and the Evolution of the Post-War U.S. Navy was published in 1995

by Guest User from [142.177.241.117] on Fri Dec 01, 06 5:29am [+]

The U.S. Navy boasts that its Blue Angels flight team is the world s best, but with their preference for high speed maneuvering over aerobatic artistry, combined with the team's grossly inflated number of maintenance technicians, one has to wonder. The Blue Angels perform with only six F-18 jets, whereas the Canadian Snowbirds fly nine Tutors, which are much older. The Canadian team flies more airplanes, but has a much smaller maintenance team. The Blue Angels have approximately 100 technicians, but the Snowbirds have only about ten.

American technicians are very specialized, and as a result they need lots of them to do the same job that just one Canadian technician can do. This does not sound like an efficient or cost-effective arrangement, to say the least. Through his many best-selling books and movies, author Tom Clancy has created a crisp, sharp, spit-polished, efficient, and patriotic image for the U.S. Navy. Some think he should be a paid Public Relations consultant or recruiter for the U.S. submarine force. It may come as a shock to some of his readers, however, that the American sailors in his books are too good to be true, and that even some American submariners admit their training is not very good. Several recent books have effectively stripped off much of the shiny Hollywood polish on the American submarine force, most notably Petty Officer Andrew Karam s account of life on the USS Plunger, Rig Ship for Ultra Quiet (2002), and Douglas C. Waller s Big Red (2001). Both authors (Karam served on the submarine USS Plunger) said that there is a lot of hype regarding U.S. submarine training, but the reality is much less impressive. As for the legendary assertion that all U.S. submariners are experts on every system in their boats, one sailor told Waller that was All bunk. Waller explained that The (submariner s) qualification only made you familiar with the rest of the boat. It didn t mean you could actually run other parts. If (the sailor) and the other missile techs suddenly died, those nukes in the back wouldn't have a clue how to fire these rockets. Petty Officer Karam, an Engineering Laboratory Technician, concurred, and acknowledged that he could only work on other systems in a pinch . He continued The Plunger, and, for that matter, any nuke boat, was sufficiently complex that one person simply could not learn everything to that level of detail in the 14 months we were given to qualify. Not if they were doing their own jobs, too.

British allies, of course, have long ridiculed American submariners for spending too much time and effort learning about nuclear reactors. Surprisingly, Waller wrote that some U.S. Navy officers quietly agree. The Drill Coordinator on the USS Nebraska, Lieutenant Brent Kinman, told Waller that American submariners talk too much about the reactor, like mechanics, and not enough about how to fight the ship effectively: That was the problem with today s submariners, Kinman thought. They were technicians rather than warriors. The average lieutenant riding these boats considered himself a nuclear engineer first and a submarine officer second. It almost feels like we re out there just driving the reactor around This overemphasis on engineering might explain why diesel submarines are so often triumphant against U.S.N. nuclear submarines during exercises.

Conclusion

The U.S. Navy is the largest navy in the world, and on paper, certainly the most powerful. Of that there is no doubt. With the Russian Navy all but gone, the American navy remains the dominant sea power in the world. Yet, as we have seen here, this heavyweight navy often has great difficulty handling the little guys. Indeed, if the U.S. Navy were a boxer, one might say that his dominance is due mostly to his sheer size because he punches well below his massive weight. In this era of asymmetrical warfare, of David versus Goliath conflicts, perhaps it is time for America to rethink its naval strategy, lose some weight, and as sports announcers say, focus more on the fundamentals.

by Guest User from [142.177.241.117] on Fri Dec 01, 06 5:57am [+]

i believe britain is one of the most powerful countrys in the world america may have the biggest and powerfulest armed forces but all america ever do in war is send their forces in with all guns blazing what does that do it makes casualtys and a lot of the time they end up killing their own men. Britain has the tatical forces like SAS what can infiltrate urban or non urban areas and assinate some one or secure a area so the arm can just walk in and with little casualties and take over an area. were america is to pig headed and likes the sound of their own voice to be able to pull off a succesful invasion and lets face it america must be one of the most hated countrys in the world, and im british
by Guest User from [80.195.94.40] on Sun Dec 10, 06 6:56am [+]

england is the same as great britain
by Guest User from [195.93.21.102] on Fri Jan 05, 07 2:46pm [+]

"believe britain is one of the most powerful countrys in the world america may have the biggest and powerfulest armed forces but all america ever do in war is send their forces in with all guns blazing what does that do it makes casualtys and a lot of the time they end up killing their own men. Britain has the tatical forces like SAS what can infiltrate urban or non urban areas and assinate some one or secure a area so the arm can just walk in and with little casualties and take over an area. were america is to pig headed and likes the sound of their own voice to be able to pull off a succesful invasion and lets face it america must be one of the most hated countrys in the world, and im british"


that is so so so true britain s the best peace keeping force in the world without a dout.

GOD SAVE THE QUEEN
by Guest User from [195.93.21.102] on Fri Jan 05, 07 2:55pm [+]

Jesus H Christ!! they`re all queens in England or Britain,whatever it`s called.
by Guest User from [142.177.241.117] on Sat Jan 06, 07 5:24pm [+]

the u.s navy is way better than the other countries.
by Guest User from [142.177.244.15] on Sun Jan 07, 07 10:18am [+]

for the amount of carriers the u.s. has, i can't believe that england has so many votes
by Guest User from [69.25.244.253] on Sun Feb 11, 07 10:24pm [+]

England, they don't have their own navy! It's the united kingdom (UK) which is classed as SCOTLAND, WALES, ENGLAND AND N.IRELAND! Most of the *UK's* ships are baced in Scotland.
by Guest User from [194.247.237.152] on Mon Feb 12, 07 2:20pm [+]

england isnt the fuckin royal navy- britain!!!!
by Guest User from [88.110.253.91] on Tue Feb 13, 07 11:13am [+]

WHOA,the us navy beat up by little old Canada.......not surprising.
by Guest User from [142.177.241.117] on Sat Feb 17, 07 2:30pm [+]

Some of you guys should read and learn about the world before posting comments. "France is the most hated by first world coutries..", well that contradicts the last 2 polls I read in the IHT and the Times where France was third most appreciated country after Canada and Japan and 2 thirds of europeans liked France (those figures must be reversed if you poll english (not UK) and US!). The thing is you guys from the UK and US measure ones popularity by what you see nd hear in your own country... Get out, travel and learn you morons!!
by Guest User from [83.196.24.77] on Sat Apr 28, 07 3:55am [+]

russia
by Guest User from [65.75.127.75] on Fri May 25, 07 12:34pm [+]

britain used to not so sure now
by Guest User from [86.133.25.77] on Tue Jun 05, 07 12:47pm [+]

Why dont India came in posotion??
by Guest User from [86.97.122.140] on Fri Jun 08, 07 6:38am [+]

Voted : Republic of Ireland
In Commander Mark Mellett's words...."the best little navy in the world."
by Guest User from [150.177.122.106] on Wed Jun 13, 07 4:09am [+]

Well my opinion is that it is The U.K as they didn't say

"Rule Britania, Britania rules the waves"

But i suppose now it's not as true as it was back then and the next part of the song wa proved wrong during WWI(I think)
by Guest User from [82.40.25.252] on Fri Jun 15, 07 1:30pm [+]

Voted : England
England are second to none, always been the best and will always be the best.
by Guest User from [86.147.97.242] on Thu Jun 28, 07 11:37am [+]

Hey, yet another horribly vote-spammed ballot with no credibility in the results in any way.
by Daughter_of_Khitai on Thu Jun 28, 07 12:41pm [+]

The United States by far. Who else has 11 and soon to be 13 aircraft carriers, 18 nuclear ballisitc missile submarines, 22 cruisers, 50 destroyers, 30 frigates, 55 attack submarines soom to be 63. That right there is almost 200 ships not to mention all the support and cargo ships.
by Guest User from [68.77.33.14] on Sun Jul 08, 07 5:38pm [+]

I approved that guest comment. Acutally, the results on the ballot are right on target. You can verify all of the information at navy.mil. The guest user is actually pretty much right on target. Present facts to counter otherwise if you feel differently or have evidence to show otherwise.
by patch22us on Sun Jul 08, 07 7:06pm [+]

great britain, england, and scotland are the same thing. and maybe the welsh. hence the the UK united kingdom-great britain (united)
by Guest User from [195.93.21.102] on Sat Jul 21, 07 6:37pm [+]

The English/British have got amazing history not amazingly good tech still one of the best in thw world. BUT what they are renowned for which is diffenly the best in the world is there marines Commandos
by Guest User from [86.7.74.117] on Thu Aug 02, 07 3:06pm [+]

Voted : England
I am English - here are the facts: The UK (United Kingdom) describes; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Great Britan describes the main island consiting of: England, Scotland and Wales.

As for thoes among you that have bad-mouthed America, understand this - the entire free world owes the united states a huged debt of gratitude begining from World War 2. Without their awsome industrial capacity and hugh sacrifice of young and brave human life there may not have been a free world from which you would have the liberty to express your juvenial opinions.

During the D-Day landings of 1944, alone, 130,000 US service men were sacrificed together with 90,000 UK and common wealth soldiers.

Slag the FRench by all means, they did sweet F.A to save themselves and have shown no gratitude or respect for the above cost in human life.

The British will always stand by Americans. Without them, we would all be speaking German.

The only country on the planet to show its gratitude to the British for there sacrifices is Norway.

Every year since the end of World War 2, Norway has provided the Christmas tree that stands in the heart of London. It may sound like a small gesture in financial terms but what it represents in emotional terms is huge.

by Guest User from [82.17.74.162] on Wed Aug 22, 07 3:45am [+]

Voted : U.S.A.
The US Navy is the best trained, best equipped, and best led in the world. It also includes the Marine Corps and Coast Guard
by Guest User from [210.213.104.122] on Fri Aug 31, 07 6:34pm [+]

Voted : U.S.A.
everybody already know that the u.s is the strongest country and they has the strongest military.
by Guest User from [141.157.221.99] on Sun Oct 07, 07 9:01am [+]

The US has the only class one navy in the world. We're able to fight on 7 fronts at once with not problems. No other Navy in the world is able to do this. 51% of the worlds military spending is done by the US. where do you think this money is going?
by Guest User from [74.133.35.8] on Tue Oct 23, 07 11:08am [+]

my name is kashif from pakistan usa great superpower super navy iam a big fan usa and usa hero army god bless america
by Guest User from [202.125.143.70] on Fri Nov 02, 07 3:25am [+]

The US will always be the best!!!!
by Guest User from [12.206.36.211] on Fri Nov 09, 07 3:31am [+]

England, they don't have their own navy! It's the united kingdom (UK) which is classed as SCOTLAND, WALES, ENGLAND AND N.IRELAND! Most of the *UK's* ships are baced in Scotland.
by Guest User on Mon Feb 12, 07 2:20pm


Where in the hell did you get the notion that most of the UK's naval power is based in Scotland?? The majority of our Submarines are based up there yeah but the Surface fleet NO WAY. Im from Portsmouth born and bred but based elsewhere with the Para's British Airborne. My hometown Portsmouth is the hOME of the ROYAL Navy. All our destroyers (currently type 42 but all the new Type 45) a large portion of the type 23 Frigates, the aircraft carriers (including the new 75 and 100,000 ton class Carriers when they come into service), a large portion of our Mine hunter craft, Our offshore patrol vessels such as Leeds castle if they are in the UK are all based down here on the south coast of the UK in Portsmouth.

The other MAJOR Naval Port in the UK is Plymouth where all of the type 22 and a portion of 23 frigates arebased along with HMS Ocean LPH assualt ship and the new HMS Bulwark assault ship if i remember coorectly.
by Brit_Airborne on Mon Nov 12, 07 6:36am [+]

Voted : England
The brits dont have the best technology but we train all the armyies in the world, all the navies,all the marines, all the secret services, no doubt in my mind says we are the best, we were built for soldiers and no other couintry can match that. The Americans onli think there good because of there size and equipment, give them our numbers and equipment and put them up againstr us they have no chance, I am a canadian in the British arny (as we are allowed) and trust me you other countries have no chance.
by Guest User from [82.33.162.89] on Mon Nov 19, 07 3:55am [+]

wtf india is not here, it beats most of these countries
by Guest User from [80.177.190.150] on Wed Dec 12, 07 9:50am [+]

america got it ass kiked by the japanese until the atom bomb so eat that you fat fuks
by Guest User from [77.98.233.140] on Sun Dec 30, 07 9:43am [+]

You have put Great Britian,and you have put England.They are the same place,with the same Navy.So there score should be added:)
by Guest User from [195.93.21.38] on Mon Dec 31, 07 4:42pm [+]

England does not have a navy, its actualy British. Its not just known as English navy since the 17th century
by Guest User from [86.132.30.77] on Wed Jan 02, 08 4:17am [+]

"As for thoes among you that have bad-mouthed America, understand this..."

Fuck off, you illiterate prick.
by ramaDUNG on Fri Jan 04, 08 8:39am [+]

Voted : Great Britain
as a former u.s sailor iam biased to the states, but ive been on many exercises and war games with most navies, and the best by far were the british, profesionally ,tacticaly, a true naval island nation. they defeted us in war games (extremly frustratingly) time after time. no other nation came close except australians and canadians.just remember guys quality beats quantity and the alliance we have with the british is true freindship with respect
by Guest User from [81.20.182.60] on Mon Jan 07, 08 1:23pm [+]

I would say the US has the most powerful navy.based on size and capabilities, On the other hand as far as seamanship and knowledge goes ,i would say the Royal Navy.. i can say this based on experience, i'm welsh and was in the royal navy, i was a chef on board, but my training of seamanship had to be of the same standard of any other sailor on board, i was trained in firefighting(chefs are actually the best firefighters on board) i was trained in flooding and shoring methods, i was part of the first aid team, i was required to do RAS..repleshiment at sea, i was fog lookout, mine lookout, i was SPO team trained(ships protection organisation) in case of a bandit, i was also a member of the boardingteam member, which involved boarding suspicions vessels , cargo ships etc..checking for drugs smuggling..any kind of piracythere is more but i will stop , just to show the individual training of a royal navy sailor and i was just a chef!! its like the big classroom/small classroom scenario!!
Im mot being biased , this my opion on what ive seen and i Know USsailor dont get quite the same individual attention. Its a well know fact in the royal navy that the US navy come here to train with us and learn our methods..its like the saying goes 'all the gear, no idea'..which is unfair, but true to a certain point. i know you will be thinking im saying this because i was a British sailor, but thats not true ,its just the way i see it, and ive visited the states many times and i love the country and the people, people say your arrogant, but ive never found that with the americans ive met, they are generally more friendly and happier that your average british person!!whatever that is??
by Guest User from [86.164.225.160] on Tue Jan 15, 08 7:03am [+]

Voted : Great Britain
The rest just play with boats.
by Guest User from [86.146.225.235] on Tue Jan 22, 08 7:46am [+]

coming from a Navy Family I would say The United States Has the finest Navy in the world The Royal Navy is good and probably 2nd to the best but it's to small naval might and power relies in numbers if you have the most ships in your navy your the best
Technology and slick designs really doesnt matter.
by Guest User from [68.205.15.144] on Tue Jan 29, 08 7:55pm [+]

Nice site!
by Guest User from [200.29.96.75] on Wed Mar 19, 08 2:00pm [+]

Voted : France
well, i am french, and we have always have had a good navy so yeah...
by Guest User from [24.4.23.7] on Fri Apr 18, 08 10:31pm [+]

Voted : Great Britain
ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND DON`T HAVE SERPARATE NAVY`S
by Guest User from [86.159.179.181] on Sat Apr 19, 08 4:40pm [+]

Does Zimbabwe even have a navy? Considering it is in the middle of Africa, not surrounded by any large body of water.
by Guest User from [96.227.229.68] on Wed Apr 23, 08 6:16pm [+]

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by Guest User from [195.54.209.151] on Sat Apr 26, 08 8:29pm [+]

U.S.A is the best navy in the world. Although, the royal navi is up there also
by Guest User from [69.77.152.135] on Mon Jun 16, 08 4:47pm [+]

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