user ballots
Login
Register
Add One
FAQ/Contact
Popular Ballots
Recent Popular
Recent Votes
Best
Worst
Yes or No
Choices
What If
Prediction
Advice
Would You
Crime
Recommend
Quiz
TV & Movie
Music & Radio
Political
Science
Sports
Relationship
Techonology
Culture
Philosophy
Religion
Ethics
History
Food & Health
Fashion & Beauty
Crime
FanBase
Discussion
Bug Report
|
COMMENTS:
The deeply religious have always seemed to be highly motivated to suppress the truth.
As have the deeply non-religious in my opinion Cranky.
I find it hard to fathom how abortion could ever be considered beneficial to mankind, whether you are religious or not.
You could argue that an unwanted child would be worse for mankind, given the amount of unwanted children there are already on earth.
If however, the state would pick up the tab and pay the mother to raise the child, then perhaps abortion would not be necessary.
That would conflict with the conservative view of the tax payer picking up the tab for this.
So, abortion would seem to be at least, the most cost effective way, the buzzword for any true conservative.
Hmmm. Intriguing question. My problem comes from the use of the term "Religion," specifically ...
I would not subjugate Science to any Religion ...
However, I would subject Science to some baseline morality or ethics, which are common offshoots of religion.
The trick, of course, is in coming up with an acceptable baseline.
Age old battle that will eventually, over thousands of years, wear itself out. Science will, as it always does, win out and religion will be seen as a sweet tradition rather than fact. Just my opinion, of course. :)
Some of these scientific advances are dangerous such as stem cell research. It WILL lead to human cloaning eventually and that is just disgusting. What if these scientists create a human-like individual who is in constant pain throughout its whole existance while those sick bastards treat it like some animal doing tests on it for years. That could be happening right now. Even if that isn't the case, creating life through this unnatural process for our ammusement, just because we can, is just wrong. Sure, stem cell research would be helpful but some douchebag who thinks he can pull it off will try to cloan a human just because he thinks he can without any consideration.
These scientific "advances" are going to destroy us in the end. We already have a ton of nuclear waste just chillen out because we have nowhere to put it which will definately kick us in the ass, but why should we care because it may not affect OUR generation. Now im going off on tangents and I should look over this to make sure it makes sense but, meh. Bottom line... some sh*t is regulated for a reason
No, I just expect people to be more responsible and not get pregnant unless they want to.
ceejj, you said that you can't understand how abortion might ever be beneficial for mankind. Try this one on:
The condition of life. From my end, I don't understand how a person can be so passionate about preserving life, but at the same time disregard the quality of it. Can you imagine what would happen if endless numbers of babies were born into a world that had already exceeded it's capacity to raise them? Eventually, we'd deplete our resources, (both natural and artificial,) and we'd begin a free fall into an abyss of misery and suffering.
I can't think of a way to make people more responsible about potential pregnancies, other than doing the things we are doing now--(sexual education, availability of contraceptives)--but better. People are going to have sex; and a certain percentage of those people are going to have unprotected sex. I think it's important to acknowledge this as a fact of life. It's in our nature to procreate; and instinct is always going to take precedence over the higher brain functions, as long as we are animals, no matter how "highly evolved."
This is taking the long view of things, but I do feel a measure of responsibility for the quality of lives of future generations, instead of just worrying about my own.
^Re: that last comment. I think we're all coming from pretty much the same place. We care about what kind of future we're going to be leaving for generations to come. We just make different, fundamental assumptions about how that future might unfold if either "science" or "religion" (broad terms) somehow became the more dominant force in our lives.
"I find it hard to fathom how abortion could ever be considered beneficial to mankind, whether you are religious or not."
by ceejjj on May 25, 2005
Yeah, well if someone you know gets raped and impregnated (and I sincerely hope they don't) see how you feel then.
Or maybe if someone close to you gets pregnant and to carry the baby full-term would be fatal to both mother and child (again I hope it doesn't happen) then maybe you can have a more informed opinion.
Widehead, I never said there weren't situations that didn't warrant an abortion, what I said was it isn't beneficial. It may be a solution in those extreme cases in which you brought up, but beneficial isn't a word I would use.
Apple, I understand your point, but think about this. Do you think that having the option of abortion may make people a little less careful about getting pregnant? Maybe if the option wasn't so readily available people would be a bit more responsible? Just a thought.
There is no answer to that, as we don't know what God feels about that, per se. I believe in God above all things. There is not one iota of doubt in me that God exists. In terms of these types of moral issues vs. science, I am of the opinion that people know, deep down inside, what is right and what is wrong and therefore, they make thier own decisions and will face the consequences, if there are any. There are way too many people running around speaking for God, and that to me is a sin. I believe that God talks to every human on earth and whether we listen or not is the key. As for the moral majority -- they are neither moral, nor a majority :) However, I am also convinced that the day man crosses the line (and with cloning and such, we're getting there), that will be the final sin that could bring.......
I read an article a few weeks ago that in Britain, the number of women not just getting abortions, but getting multiple abortions, was on the rise dramatically. The article said that they were seeing numbers that showed women getting 4, 5 or even more!! Psychologists said the impact on their psyche could be very bad. I mean come on....5 or more!!!!!
ceejj, I think it would have an impact, but not a great enough one to justify criminalizing abortion. The threat of committing a crime doesn't deter most people from breaking a law that they find morally objectionable.
Looks like some of you have derailed from the ballot topic itself...talking only on abortion...Eh!!
Anyways lets not forget that we humans seem to be way too audacious about our existence and poor we !! we look so helpness when a even small vein is twisted or have to face an unforseen reality of life or small earth tremor,a tornado or ahail storm... Absolutelty I agree they is scientific reason behind all these events but just knowing so does not make us above it ... We need to realise that Science and religion are two bi-polar powers but one(Science) is a design of the other(GOD - the almighty)..
Let us also not forget that God in His design has made a mechanism to let his hidden blueprints be a source of knowledge for a human being which help him find solution to problem on this earth but when we try to over rule Him , we will face it as many civilisation have before us and will do in future. Then dont just label it a scientific event and historify*(I guess I had to coin this word) it. Human auduacity again!!!! - Yasmin
^^ Error pls read as -
We need to realise that Science and religion are NOT two bi-polar powers but one(Science) is a design of the other(GOD - the almighty)..
I hate to say it, but this ballots has been done a few times now
I think steel meant for it to be ironic when he added "The Last Debate" to the ballot title.
I say both, religion without science is fantasy but science without religion is ignorant (especially the type of science that denies God)
by seon on Thu May 26, 05 5:41am
[+]
Once again, religion and science are NOT mutually exclusive. I, for one, believe that God is still creating new places and beings--slowly evolving, but with the help of God.
by Sue on Thu May 26, 05 9:06am
[+]
And so the debate is closed...
QED or Amen (delete as appropriate)
Science => useful technologies.
Religion => opium for the masses.
science + religion = opium in the form of something that look like knowledge OR rational basis for their cherished opium.
Ok, Yasmin, back to the topic at hand. I belive science and religion co-exist nicely together. One compliments the other. I feel God gave us the capability to technologically, scientifically and medically advance. Also he gave us the free will to use our talents as we see fit. For good or evil-that is our choice.
Maybe one of the problems in the debate itself is that no one can come to a concensus on what God really is.
^ It's like comparing love and weapons.
Religion is an institution to express belief in a divine power.
Science is a process for evaluating empirical knowledge.
So why can’t we have the church of the Empirical Knowledge of Divine Power.
Science is the
Science is the means of proving god/goddesses. Bear that in mind, it's my personal beleif that, human created ideas of good and evil, of right and wrong. We created the god/desse through out beleif in them. I dont think that science should be banned. Im not against out lawing abortions. The abortioned babies should be used in reasearch of science. That way their death would serve some purpose. For their deaths would occur anyway. But the results of that other way would be dire.
simplistically speaking - there are two types of people in the world - those who want to control others and those who just want to live their lives. Of those who just wish to live - there are some who are curious, inquisitive, learning what they can and using that knowledge to better their lives (though not necessarily the lives of those around them). Thus science. But those that want to control just can't mind their own business - they are obsessed with meddling and trying to get others to believe of follow what they think. and they invent fantastic schemes to support what they consider their right to control - religion being but one of them, although probably the most powerful. This is not to say that all religions seek to control or that no science seeks to control. In this country it does appear that the religious extremists are determined to subdue science. The pros and cons of scientific discovery need to be evaluated in a rational manner - not merely on the basis of emotions. And somehow it must be determined who has the right to make that final decision, and whether they can make it for others. As for abortion - I think it is a rare individual who would claim it is "beneficial" for humanity. Unfortunately, sometimes the alternatives are worse, and in the end I believe it is a woman's choice as to whether she brings new life to this world or not.
|
|
