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His remarks were a bit over the top but dissent is probably one of the most patriotic thing a person can do. BTW, If the US had been adhering to the Geneva conventions on this issue, then none of this controversy would exist.
It's certainly more admirable than lying the country into a war.
Horrors ... we can't question anything the DoD does!
Let's, instead, focus on the outrage of what we can distort from the message, all the better to avoid examining whether, perhaps, we need to stop doing something or do some things differently!
It would be an issue Fiddlefaddle, no matter what. His description of the treatment of those terrorists in Gitmo was ludicrous. They are lucky to be treated so well. Why does such outrage exist for terrorists, but none for the people of Iraq who were abused by Saddam and co., the beheaded people who were kidnapped, the soldiers who were burned and strung up in the streets, the hate that is being taught to some children in the Middle East for the Western and/or non-Muslim world? Where is that outrage?! That dick Durbin cost the lives of many soldiers with is idiotic and anti-American remarks and he should most certainly be voted out of office for the damage he has done.
Yeah, Cathexis, making the prisoners listen to rap and putting them in and out of air conditioning is over the top. *eye roll*
How do you discipline someone for exercising his first amendment rights?
Cathexis:
I bet you would be singing a different tune if you were the one being called a Nazi.The fact of the matter is that the detainees and Gitmo get the best treatment possible.We make sure that their living conditions are clean,they get three meals a day and we go out of our way to respect their religion.Furthermore for Durbin to lie on American troops like that is just flat out wrong.
See.... here the conservatives go again with a distraction. Since when did Cathexis or I say we did not care about the people in Iraq and elsewhere and their suffering?
No distraction Fiddlefaddle, I have addressed the issues. I am simply pointing out that I don't hear a damn peep about the things I mentioned, but stupid things like the treatment of terrorists in Gitmo are top billing for libs.
No, he should not and can not face discipline. If he does, then our government will have gone too far and all the talk of a "dictatorship" would have been justified. I'd take to the streets in violent protest if the government even tried to discipline him.
Freedom of speech. A wiser man then Bush or any "Patriot" Act once said it perfectly...
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.”
- Benjamin Franklin
You don't give up the freedom of speech just because it may, or may not "give aid and comfort to the enemy and trivialize the horrors committed by the Nazis,Soviets and Pol Pot's regime". You know, I remember a lot of talk after 9/11 about how the terrorists were trying to change the American way by making us live in fear. And a lot of talk about how we weren't going to let them. And yet here we are discussing whether or not this man should have the right to free speech because some people are afraid that what he says may "give aid and comfort to the ememy". Wow.
And by the way Fiddlefaddle, in numerous ballots on this topic I have listed and dealt with the treatment of the prisoners, however, all I get back is how no one is supposed to investigate and conservatives are just distracting. It seems that liberals are the ones who don't want to address each ridiculous accusation. Is it because you know it in no way comes close to anything that might be considered torture?
msg me those ballots and I will comment on them. Thanks
Corrupt, I still say this- do we treat the murderers and rapists in our prisons the way we treat the detainees at Gitmo, SOME of whom were captured while NOT in any combat sitch, MOST of whom are being held WITHOUT CHARGES?
Corrupt: As a matter of fact, I have been called that, in the past. I took it as rhetorical hyperbole and moved on, rather than feigning a fainting spell.
No he shouldn't be disciplined for the comments. I don't see Dennis Miller being disciplined for his comments about the Democratic party or Liberals so Dick Durbin should be allowed to say whatever he wants.
Oh, how dare he trash the "honorable" name of your golden soldiers...who also have a long history of torture methods and civil rights violations. But why should that matter, they're American.
PS. There was a shitload of sarcasm in that last comment but I was serious.
"who also have a long history of torture methods and civil rights violations"
Name an army that has conducted itself in a more civilized manner than the United States army, and don't come up with some joke of a military like Canada or some other country that doesn't do shit about any 'hot spot' on this planet.
Ok then, how about GWB stops whining about how Saddam violated human rights laws, and how about G.W.B stops whining about how Al-Qaeda's torture methods are wrong. That's pure hipocrisy on his side.
He remarks have been taken out of context for Political gain by the Republicans.
Why should he have to apologize because his remarks were twisted to make him look bad?
"Ok then, how about GWB stops whining about how Saddam violated human rights laws, and how about G.W.B stops whining about how Al-Qaeda's torture methods are wrong. That's pure hipocrisy on his side."
Laughable, how can you compare systematic beatings with canes, electricution and mutilation of the genitals, kidnapping and disappearances of thousands of Iraqi's who were later confirmed executed for no reason, with the most minor if any of offenses at Gitmo??? You people make me truly ill.
The fact is that it's a human rights violation on both sides. You openly accept that US Army does it but you don't condemn them. And the US army like the Iraqi militants do perform kidnappings, torture, and killings except theirs is better hidden than the Iraqi ones.
Cathexis:
Fair enough, but you do acknowledge that Durbin's comments were wrong?I just can't see how you can listen to Durbin bash American troops and not feel outraged about it.Do you really believe that American troops are abusing prisoners at Gito?If so then can you point me in the direction where you're getting your info.
I think the issue here was addressed on Fox by Wesley Clark: Of course, Hannity called for Wesley Clark to condemn Durbin calling it "over the top, repugnant propaganda". Clark's response to Hannity was very effective.
" I'm not going to condemn Durbin. How we are percieved at Guantanamo on top of the bad press from Abu Ghraib is important. I'll fight anyone who compares our soldiers to Nazis but we have a policy issue here. How do we deal with it?"
via newshounds.
And why are we perceived this way? Because of irresponsible and wrong things spouting out of liberal senators mouths. How many soldiers are going to die because Dick flapped his yapper?
ummmm, 0???
How many have died because of Bush's lies??
1700+ and still counting
What about Rick Santorum when he made a similar comment? If it can work for one political party, it can surely work for the other...
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