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WHY DO MOST PEOPLE LOOK AT COMMUNISM AND CAPITALISM FROM A BINARY PERSPECTIVE- (THAT IS ONLY TWO CHOICES)? IN REALITY THERE ARE FOUR CHOICES...

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WHY DO MOST PEOPLE LOOK AT COMMUNISM AND CAPITALISM FROM A BINARY PERSPECTIVE- (THAT IS ONLY TWO CHOICES)? IN REALITY THERE ARE FOUR CHOICES...


[+] serious ballot by EUROTOPIA
created Mon Jun 27, 05

There are two main components of a socio-economic system A) The Economic system (either collective or individual) B) The Political (democratic or autocratic). Therefore, there are FOUR different combinations you can make when combining A and B.

The FOUR main types of government you can have are therefore: 1) Autocratic captialism 2) Democratic capitalism 3) Autocratic socialism or 4) Democratic socialism...

of course advocates of 1) and 2) would like to make people think that 4) doesn't even exist. Of course most people are fed the binary nonsense of 2) and 3) being the only ones that exist. People associate communistic societies with massacres... BUT how many people have been killed by autocratic capitalist governments (that is dictators that support free marketeering)? AND People speak of free-market societies and autmoatically think it must be democratic- what about the free-marketeering dictators don't they know about them? Why do many people look at it in binary??? Don't they know about autocratic capitalism or democratic socialism??? Why/why not?

Combination: Propoganda & Ignorance
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COMMENTS:
IMO a democratic fascism is more appropriate. Fascism managed to solve to problems posed by both communism and capitalism, setting economy on capitalist bases and in the same time organizing society on socialist basis and allowing the state to step in and eliminate the inequality generated by capitalism, but without screwing the social relations by leveling people. However democracy is more suited to replace the autocratic ruling that characterized fascism.
by johan_moritz on Mon Jun 27, 05 12:46pm [+]

IMO, binary choices help limit/frame perceptions to make manipulation of attitudes easier.
by Cathexis on Mon Jun 27, 05 12:58pm [+]

I put in a new vote.

"There are more than 4..."

You can define governments as whether they are controlled by the military and whether the economy is controlled by the governmnet or not, but this leaves out hundreds of other considerations. Politics is a very empirical (lots of factors influencing how political systems work) matter, though I agree the perspective you have taken is good.
by eoganan on Mon Jun 27, 05 1:35pm [+]

'People associate communistic societies with massacres... BUT how many people have been killed by autocratic capitalist governments (that is dictators that support free marketeering)?'

Pointing out the faults of other systems doesn't change the faults of communism.

Sure capitalism has it's problems, but it also has an upside. Communism also has it's problems, but with no upside.

Pointing out that capitalist economies have a higher unemployment rate (for example) doesn't change the fact that communism killed 100 million people, does it?
by herzog on Mon Jun 27, 05 6:07pm [+]

some people just can't get past the old yes/no, good/bad, black/white concept. The notion that there could be something in between, something that combines aspects of both sides is just too overwhelming. are our minds just a series of o's and 1's? - I like to think I'm more than that...
Brings to mind the Moody Blues - "In the Beginning":
I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I think.

Of course you are my bright little star,
I've miles
And miles
Of files
Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
and now to suit our
great computer,
You're magnetic ink.

I'm more than that, I know I am, at least, I think I must be.
There you go man, keep as cool as you can.
Face piles
And piles
Of trials
With smiles.
It riles them to believe
that you perceive
the web they weave
And keep on thinking free.

Love those shades of grey, those colors in between - that's where we make our progress, that's where we excel, that's where it is possible to have a society that we can thrive in rather than a society that devours us.
I just think we are doomed to make a lot of mistakes before we get it right. If we get it right.
by lightreaper on Mon Jun 27, 05 9:58pm [+]

No one has been killed by a dictator that supports free markets; no dictator have ever supported free markets.

The only moral system allows the individual to guide their own life without the threat of violence from the government.
by thc2883 on Tue Jun 28, 05 8:16am [+]

corporatists
by thc2883 on Tue Jun 28, 05 4:33pm [+]

You forgot a C: Social Systems. You can either have an oppression of the poor by the rich, or a classless society in which all people work for the good of the country.
by DeathMetal_101 on Tue Jun 28, 05 6:23pm [+]

Nevermind, you said it in your second comment.
by DeathMetal_101 on Tue Jun 28, 05 6:25pm [+]

This ballot is useless, how the hell do you use this Kharma system to get rid of it?
by DeathMetal_101 on Tue Jun 28, 05 6:29pm [+]

in fact i think youll find that true communisim is ALWAYS democratic it is one of the principles of communisim laid out by Marx in the Communist Manifesto
by Liverero on Mon Sep 12, 05 1:22pm [+]





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