THE BIBLE=EVIL?

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THE BIBLE=EVIL?


[+] serious ballot by drinkaholic
ACTIVE Tue Aug 30, 05 - Sun May 25, 08

I found a website which says that a Bible is evil and it is written by a formerly Christian but now Atheist.Im by no means anti-Christian but everyone knows that the Bible advocates love and peace but what all the verses I read really contradict that.

Abortion:
-Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?
-Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.
-Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.
-Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.
-2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?

Infanticide:
-1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
-Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
-Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.

The murdering of children:
Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.

Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?

Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.

2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”

1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.

I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.
-Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.
-Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.
-Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children.

-Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
-Rape of Female Captives(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB):
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)



When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

-Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests:
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
-Kill Witches:
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
-Kill Homosexuals:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
-Kill Fortunetellers:
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)
-Death for Hitting Dad:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
-Death for Cursing Parents:
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2)All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
-Death for Adultery:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
-Death for Fornication :
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
-Death to Followers of Other Religions:
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
-Kill Nonbelievers:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
-Kill False Prophets:
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.(Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

-Infidels and Gays Should Die:
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
-Kill Followers of Other Religions:
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.(Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)
2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Kill All of Babylon:
"Go up, my warriors, against the land of Merathaim and against the people of Pekod. Yes, march against Babylon, the land of rebels, a land that I will judge! Pursue, kill, and completely destroy them, as I have commanded you," says the LORD. "Let the battle cry be heard in the land, a shout of great destruction". (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT)

-Kill Everyone in 7 Nations:
When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are about to enter and occupy, he will clear away many nations ahead of you: the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. These seven nations are all more powerful than you. When the LORD your God hands these nations over to you and you conquer them, you must completely destroy them. Make no treaties with them and show them no mercy. Do not intermarry with them, and don't let your daughters and sons marry their sons and daughters. They will lead your young people away from me to worship other gods. Then the anger of the LORD will burn against you, and he will destroy you. (Deuteronomy 7:1-4 NLT)

Yes,the Bible is Evil
No,the Bible isnt Evil
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Not necessarily evil, but certainly bilge
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COMMENTS:
Sorry, the ballot was really long.There are more verses I wanted to put.
by drinkaholic on Tue Aug 30, 05 8:40am [+]

I guess it is
by larrynelmira on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:22am [+]

First, the entire premise of the argument is wrong. The Bible was not written by one person. It was written by several (being guided by God) people. It was also written over a period of several thousand years. I don't think there has been a Christian who has lived that long. As with the specific references here, They are selective quotes (something we should be well familiar with on this website) and out of context.

Much of the above has to do with allegory, purity, the essential need to worship one God, and prophecy.


by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:28am [+]

The other thing I would say is that if you want to really learn something about a religion, go and talk to a priest, imam, etc. rather than some website with an axe to grind.
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:32am [+]

^^^Good Lord boy! I didn't read that much in high school!
by Guy_Cabbelero on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:46am [+]

The Bible is a ludicrous piece of prose that was intended to keep ignorant people on the straight & narrow so that they could be controlled more easily by their shrewder brethren back in the Dark Ages. Frankly, it's amazing that people nowadays still treat it as an important spiritual text.

And before you have a go at me for dissing your holy scribblings, God-botherers, I'd just like to point out that God told me to say it (nyah nyah, prove me wrong on that one, you bastards).
by DingleDUNG on Tue Aug 30, 05 10:01am [+]

There is a huge difference of tone between the Fire & Brimstone Old Testament and the Peace & Love New Testament.

The quotes you cite are all from the Vindictive and Strict Old Testament (Dueronomy & Leviticus, especially, appear to have had "issues," IMO. This part of the Bible is severe to the point that one has to wonder if it is still a Book of Good.

The message of the New Testament is much more closely aligned with what we tend to view as Good.

(As a side note, you can tell a real Christian by which part they use to guide their lives, IMO. How can real Christians call themselves Christians if they ignore the Testament of Christ and focus on the old, Authoritarian and Punishment model? Just something to consider.
by Cathexis on Tue Aug 30, 05 10:33am [+]

I'll add a couple of things here. Books like Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronmy were about purity. All other religions at the time were pollytheistic and had some very odd practices, many worshipped idols, some had orgies as part of religious rites, and even human sacrifice. These books were about making the Jewish people seperate and distinct from these other religions. The aspect of being killed for violating some of these things is more of a warning of violating these codes and becoming like their neighbors again.

The attacks or wars really need to be taken in context as well. They certainly weren't unheard of at that time and were usually essentially for a group of people to survive. That was just the way things were back then.

Zechariah, Isiah, Hosea and Jeremiah are books of prophecy. They are not written in a way like: This thing will take place on this day. They are allegories (sort of similar to the style used by Nostradamus). What they usually describe is some event (good or bad) that will happen in the future. If you believe the end of the world stuff, this could be taken as descriptions of how desperate/sick the world will be at that time. Reading these books and Revelations in the New Testament is very difficult. Even when studying them with a Bible scholar it is difficult to understand them.

The book of Romans that you cite is a word of caution to Christians to not lapse into the ways of the idol/cult worshipping Romans of the time. Once again, this is about not lapsing into the vile practices of other religions as I addressed earlier.

I hope this helps, but I don't really have the time to dissect them all. It takes careful study and time. The book of Revelations for example is nearly impossible to completely understand (although many claim to). It, once again is very allegorical.

by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Tue Aug 30, 05 12:00pm [+]

I agree with Cathexis! The scripts you added came from the OT and does not reflect on the NT. Try Matthew through Revelations.
by runyonbybirth on Tue Aug 30, 05 1:51pm [+]

Very well put FFonLSD
by runyonbybirth on Tue Aug 30, 05 1:52pm [+]

yeah, thanks fiddle and cathexis
by larrynelmira on Tue Aug 30, 05 6:44pm [+]

^^^Good Lord boy! I didn't read that much in high school!
by Guy_Cabbelero on Aug 30, 2005 9:46am

That probably explains why you joined the marines.


To answer the question: no the bible is not evil. The way it has been bandied about as the word of God is evil however.
by wideheadofknowledge on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:27pm [+]

A good book of fiction that shouldn't be taken literally
by Quinn_the_Eskimo on Tue Aug 30, 05 9:58pm [+]

"I found a website which says that a Bible is evil and it is written by a formerly Christian but now Atheist." serious ballot by drinkaholic
ACTIVE Tue Aug 30, 05 - Sun May 25, 08

That pretty much says it all. Would you care to give the source (website)?
by Jinn_the_Kafir on Sat Sep 02, 06 4:49pm [+]

Voted : Comment below
The Christian Bible has both free & domination views espoused. Unfortunately, most humans have adhered to the Dominion perspective.
by stramineushomo on Tue Mar 25, 08 2:05pm [+]






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