WHY DOES EXPECTATION OF CIVILITY AND HUMANITY FROM ALL CULTURES AND RACES CONTINUALLY GET HERZOG LABELED 'RACIST' AND 'A BIGOT'?

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WHY DOES EXPECTATION OF CIVILITY AND HUMANITY FROM ALL CULTURES AND RACES CONTINUALLY GET HERZOG LABELED 'RACIST' AND 'A BIGOT'?


[+] serious ballot by jappy
ACTIVE Sun Sep 04, 05 - Fri May 30, 08

I never see herzog write anything racist, or make bigoted comments. What I do see him make are well presented comments about his expectations for ALL people to act in a civil manner towards one another by calling attention to the disturbing aspects of particular cultures.

When he makes these comments, they may appear accusatory, however, he doesn't go beyond the discussion of the flaws within the culture to bash the people within the cultures itself, he merely points out how those within the culture could better themselves by simply changing certain behaviors.

I'm disappointed when I see people harassing herzog. Those people expect everyone to accept all cultures and the problems within, which to me is outrageously foolish and by it's very nature the true bigoted way of thinking, because it says "forget reasonable expectations of human behavior, we don't want people who look for ways to solve problems."

Why are people like this?

People equate constructive criticism with racism
liberalism requires the race card to be played at every given chance
you need to read between the lines


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That's racist Jappy. ur not supposed to call attention to the disturbing aspects of other cultures. My PC Liberal Programming just can't comprehend it and I'm too lazy to try and help fix it. That's Racist Jappy. Herzog is a waaaaaaacist. :--)
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Sep 04, 05 4:31pm [+]

I probably should have tried dumbing this ballot down some, I doubt some of the people I'm referring to are even going to understand what this ballot means. Maybe I'll draw some stick figures or something and add them in.
by jappy on Sun Sep 04, 05 5:08pm [+]

I'm going to suggest a 1940's Daffy Duck cartoon, "Politically Defect" with loads of Carl Stalling goofball music and explosions. Wait, wait, I can see the scenario...Porky Pig's a professor of "Porcine-American studies" who takes offense at the fact that Daffy's brought a can of Spam (TM) to class for his lunch. Rather than enroll in a cultural sensitivity class, Daffy proceeds to blow up half the campus and bombard the other half with cans of ham while commandeering a B-19. Of course, this is the "woo-woo!" crazy Daffy from the 1940's, not the sad jerk of the Chuch Jones era.
by Felix on Sun Sep 04, 05 6:17pm [+]

I'm going to suggest a 1940's Daffy Duck cartoon, "Politically Defect" with loads of Carl Stalling goofball music and explosions. Wait, wait, I can see the scenario...Porky Pig's a professor of "Porcine-American studies" who takes offense at the fact that Daffy's brought a can of Spam (TM) to class for his lunch. Rather than enroll in a cultural sensitivity class, Daffy proceeds to blow up half the campus and bombard the other half with cans of ham while commandeering a B-19. Of course, this is the "woo-woo!" crazy Daffy from the 1940's, not the sad jerk of the Chuck Jones era.
by Felix on Sun Sep 04, 05 6:18pm [+]

Well, read post #2, as it's the one with the corrected spelling.
by Felix on Sun Sep 04, 05 6:19pm [+]

I think that those charges are made by all the small minded people with their only intention being to cut off the conversation.

There are at least a dozen people here who think that by insulting someone, especially in a psuedointellectal way (cathexis)

that they have actually done something to clarify their view.

But really,

they are simply attempting to shut up the opinions of those they don't like.

I don't read all of herzog's comments. But I have never seen him say anything that is racist. And, I am quite sure he is not a racist.

So, later when these serial insulters make that claim about anyone else I don't believe them.

And a note to the peanut gallery of usefoul idiot (sic)

I insult you after you have insulted me. Cathexis, mojo, zig and a couple of others.

by xxxxxxxx on Sun Sep 04, 05 7:54pm [+]

Uh, huh. Like anybody really cares. Cathexis goes out of his way to be courteous to other users. Some of Herzog's comments DO come off as bigotted, but for the most part, he too, is a courteous user, and isn't right for Cranky to unfairly downgrade him for a ballot he doesn't agree with.
by aya on Sun Sep 04, 05 8:53pm [+]

I like Herzog, ive disagreed with him on a few occasions but he has always been curious with me, I personally can’t say anything bad about him. He states his views clearly, and although I don’t always agree with them he does make a worthy opponent.
by minni_the_minx on Sun Sep 04, 05 9:56pm [+]

*courteous* it should have said. (its 3am lol)
by minni_the_minx on Sun Sep 04, 05 9:59pm [+]

Herzog spends a great deal of time making up ballots and comments that constantly point out negative aspects of non-white, non-christian culture.
He uses deliberate (and clever) misinformation and misdirection to make it sound as if he is being very rational and without prejudice.
His comments and ballots amount to nothing more than a smearing of all that is not pure christian whiteness.
For example: He argues that all Muslims need to "cooperate with the authorities" or else. This implies a level of guilt or complicity in a crime (terrorism).
He argues (wrongly) that Muslim leaders will not denounce terroist acts against the West. Some don't but unequivocally, most do.
He argues that Black Americans do not deserve any kind of compensation for three centuries of torture, humiliation, subjugation and segregation.
He posted 20+ Muslim baiting ballots.
He refuses to acknowledge evil acts perpetrated by the Far Right in Europe (of course in the name of Christianity).
And he refuses to accept that minorites in the UK and US generally have a very hard time due to the ingrained racism of the white masses.
To Herzog non-whites are threatening to destroy his culture by stealing jobs, university places and by blowing everybody up in terrorist attacks.

His whole standpoint and arguments are racist in intent and it is astonishing that most of the users here seem not to notice.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Sep 05, 05 2:20am [+]

^BS

Live in the shoes of a minority in the US and then tell me what it's like. All you leftists claim the evil white man wants to keep me down but I just don't see it.
by thc2883 on Mon Sep 05, 05 7:55am [+]

Ha, widehead I'm agnostic. If I come off as pro-christians it's simply because christians are given a harder time than other religions in this politically correct society of ours and it's unfair.

And my ballots are based on facts, news reports, statistics, etc. If you can factually disprove them go ahead, but you can't so you'll lie and say I'm making them up rather than address the facts I have presented.
by herzog on Mon Sep 05, 05 9:39am [+]

"Ha, widehead I'm agnostic." I'm one, and I'd never have guessed. Then again, I will defend Christianity as a component of Western civilization, at least in some of the religion's cultural aspects.
by Felix on Mon Sep 05, 05 9:48am [+]

Contra wideheadofknowledge...

Herzog spends a great deal of time making up ballots and comments that constantly point out negative aspects of non-white, non-christian culture.

Just as you and your cronies appear to have an animus towards Western culture, capitalism, and Christianity, and want to demonize the mythical "white man."
Of course, you ignore all of the cultural unpleasantries & imperialistic acts committed by non-Western cultures.

He uses deliberate (and clever) misinformation and misdirection to make it sound as if he is being very rational and without prejudice.

Just as so many of the lefties on here cut and paste deliberate distortions from a plethora of left-wing websites?


For example: ...Muslim leaders will not denounce terroist acts against the West. Some don't but unequivocally, most do.

A number of Muslim organizations in North America and Europe do certainly and good for them. However, if you follow the translations of the original Arabic rants at the MEMRI site or others, you'll see that it's anti-Western, pro-jihad business as usual in many corners of the Middle East. Read some of the pronouncements coming from Al-Azhar University in Egypt (foremost Sunni religious institution in the Middle East), for example. There's no abatement of the rabid religious bigotry or Occidentalism.


He argues that Black Americans do not deserve any kind of compensation for three centuries of torture, humiliation, subjugation and segregation.

First of all, there's no precedent whatsover under Anglo-American law for a lawsuit that would cover actions that took place 3 centuries ago or even a century and a half ago. There's no statute of limitations that would cover it and no modern parties could fairly be said to be complicit in what took place. You basically are just wanting to confiscate property or impose taxes on neutral parties, so admit it. Besides, this would, at the least be a claim that any blacks suing would need to bring against the European nations *and* the African kingdoms (and their successors) who aided in enslaving and transporting blacks from their original homeland. It's all a ridiculous scam.

He posted 20+ Muslim baiting ballots.

Just as you and your kin have posted hundreds of Christian-baiting ballots?

He refuses to acknowledge evil acts perpetrated by the Far Right in Europe (of course in the name of Christianity).

Just as you on the left can't admit any of the evils perpetrated by communism, theocratic Islam, or atheism over the decades and centuries?

To Herzog non-whites are threatening to destroy his culture by stealing jobs, university places and by blowing everybody up in terrorist attacks.

That's nice rhetoric, but you haven't a shred of proof.

His whole standpoint and arguments are racist in intent and it is astonishing that most of the users here seem not to notice.

I find your viewpoints equally racist, and I find too many campuses packed with your lot. You believe European culture's rotten, that America's essentially a racist culture, that only non-Western cultures are "pure," and that the Crusades were unproved aggression since everyone in India and Byzantium peacefully converted to Islam of their own accord and freely. Idiots!
by Felix on Mon Sep 05, 05 10:04am [+]

Correct: "unprovoked" for "unproved"
by Felix on Mon Sep 05, 05 10:06am [+]

A better question would be, WHY DO SOME PEOPLE CLAIM THAT HERZOG ISN'T A RACIST, A BIGOT, AND A LIAR WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF HIS MANY RACIST, BIGOTED, AND UNTRUE COMMENTS AND BALLOTS?

by cranky on Mon Sep 05, 05 11:54am [+]

"A better question would be, WHY DO SOME PEOPLE CLAIM THAT HERZOG ISN'T A RACIST, A BIGOT, AND A LIAR WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL OF HIS MANY RACIST, BIGOTED, AND UNTRUE COMMENTS AND BALLOTS?"

Even better questions: why haven't you mastered basic English grammar, despite its being your native tongue, nor learned to switch off the "Caps lock" key, despite your having been on the internet for at least several months now?
by Felix on Mon Sep 05, 05 12:18pm [+]






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