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Wow! That was fast, people offered choices. No one want to say anything?
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 4:57am
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Not just militants, but ordinary Muslims too. It seems there is more outrage b/c it's the US and Britain doing the killing. But would Muslims be so outraged if say, Iran or another Islamic country invaded Iraq?
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 5:09am
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The vast majority of Muslims aren't angry at the U.S. The idea that freeing the Iraqis from saddam is making the average Muslim angry is an anti-war press thing.
Don't you remember the Iraqis pulling down the statue & hitting it with their shoes (a major insult in the Muslim world).
The press doesn't usually mention that the bombing of the Cole , the downing of several airplanes etc. was all bin laden's doing years ago. He has been wanted for years in several countries. Of course you always have nut cases that follow his type.
If you yelled "race war" in Canada in a very public way you would have some people ready to kill all black people or all natives , the cruel & the "I hate anyone different from me" clan has always been around.
But the vast majority are very, very angry about the war. It's a feeling of..well as soon as the US got involved, NOW the whole world cares about the welfare of the Iraqis. I remember Cat Stevens recalling that although Saddam was a brutal dictator, 'there is no way a non-Islamic force can come in. There is simply no way.'
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 5:14am
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And thank you for commenting, I was afraid no one would comment. I could be wrong, but I want to hear comments.
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 5:15am
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You make a good point but you know I've heard the talking heads on tube say that Iraq didn't have a non-government controlled newspaper at all before the war so , alot of what he was doing might not have been known to the rest of the Muslim world.
Maybe people weren't well aware of HOW brutal it was, but everyone knew it was bad, at the very least (i.e. prison terms, jailing those who spoke out against him, and I think most knew of the gassing of the Kurds). It's just now, that the US and Britain militants are ordinary Muslims seems more pissed off.
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 7:52am
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"that the US and Britain militants are ordinary Muslims seems more pissed off."
that the US and Britain are involved in invading, now is when Muslims seem to really care about their fellow Muslims. Seem more pissed off now.
by aya on Wed Nov 23, 05 7:54am
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There is nothing the Arab culture hates more than weakness, part of the whole honor thing. So the fact that they could not clean their own house and get rid of a dictator like Saddam is very embarrassing. It only makes it worse that the nation that did do it is the US, the "infidels," and it just continues to remind them that they are no longer the powerful society they once were. There are many other factors that help cultivate this anger, but in my opinion this sense of embarassment at being seen as weak is the biggest one. If you can remember the initial reaction from the Arab street after Saddam was toppled, it was more or less "I'm glad he's gone, but I thought he would have given the Americans a better fight than that!"
First off, it's not only Muslims who are angry.
If you did a world wide poll on who's angry about the Iraq occupation you'd find it that the number of non-Muslims who oppose the Iraq war would exceed the number of Muslims against the war. It's not just Muslim anger, it's world wide anger.
"I understand that a lot are obviously pissed off at what the AMericans were doing, but when Saddam was killing people, you didn't see the same violent reaction from militants all over the world."
Because the militants along with the Russians and other US oposition know that Iraq isn't America's final goal. Everyone knows that the US wants to take over the middle east for its natural resources so of course they'll react. At least when Saddam was in power it was easily known that he wasn't planning to expand. Yes, he attaked Kuwait but from '91-'03 he was harmless.
"b/c Iraq was invaded by a non-Muslim force? (I can't help but wonder if that's the reason)"
Some Jihadists did attack for that reason but the majority fought for the reason above, as well as a few other reasons I don't want to get into.
How would you react if a muslim nation stepped in and tried to impose their rules on your society? The press dont need to manipulate anything. common sense should tell you this. The troops going into iraq were possibly seen as saviours once upon a time. But after killing more civilians than saddam did its all worn a little thin.
Fact. even at the highest estimate the casualties in this war are more than the people saddam killed.
Another obvious fact is if you were an iraqi wouldnt it strike you as odd that much more destructive leaders exist and yet they are left alone?
pol pot, mugabe, whatever passes for rwandas government. Most of whom we supply arms too.
Perhaps the problem with saddam is he simply wouldnt do as he was told. Funny that really, in most people thats seen as an admirable trait.
These reasons and many many others are why islam is really angry. Cant say I blame them. I'm sure 9/11 has become a victory in their minds now. people who may once have seen it as a tragedy have seen far more innocent people butchered as a backlash to a crime that didn't even involve saddam OR iraq.
Saddam is a sunni osama is not. think about it kiddies. Bit like an irishman murdering a frenchman to compensate for the british army killing an irish catholic.
Good points mobsie666.
Careful when using words like "understand", aya.
Because American solders are torturing them and torturing there children and the only members of Alquada in qutamino bay were the ones who were forced to fight, the leaders were airlifted out of Afghanistan, possibly by accident I’ll need to see more evidence.
by seon on Thu Nov 24, 05 12:31pm
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People dont think of this a lot but the intolerant ones are the muslim and not us, the muslim religion says that everyone yshould become muslim no matter what the price... so they hate every other religion and people that dont live life the way they wish we would
Yes, it is a clash of civilisations.
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