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Moroccans slam Iraq al-Qaida threat
Monday 07 November 2005, 14:10 Makka Time, 11:10 GMT
Thousands have marched through Morocco's biggest city to protest against al-Qaida's decision to kill two Moroccan hostages in Iraq.
Holding banners and chanting "Muslims are brothers. A Muslim does not kill his brother" and "Yes to freedom, No to terrorism and barbarity", the protesters on Sunday marched through Casablanca, a city of six million and Morocco's financial capital.
Sources say that an estimated 150,000 attended that protest.
(SOURCE:Al-Jazeera)
200,000 protest Amman attacks
November 19, 2005
AMMAN, Jordan -- At least 200,000 persons demonstrated yesterday against the recent bombings of three luxury hotels, while a new online statement attributed to terrorist leader Abu Musab Zarqawi defended the attacks and threatened to cut off the head of Jordan's King Abdullah II.
An anti-terrorist demonstration of such size is unprecedented in the Arab world, where Zarqawi, his mentor, Osama bin Laden, and their al Qaeda organization have attained folk-hero status among Muslim masses.
"Zarqawi, from Amman, we say to you: 'You are a coward,' " protesters chanted while brandishing banners with the names of their tribes from every part of Jordan.
A similar protest in Jordan two days after the attacks on three hotels in the capital, which killed 59 persons, mustered several thousand people.
One attacker blew himself up at a wedding party in the ballroom of the Radisson SAS hotel. Seventeen relatives of the bride and groom died.
"More than 100,000 people took part in the demonstration which left the al-Husseini mosque and then moved towards Amman town hall," security forces spokesman Bashir al-Daajeh told Agence France-Presse.
"Their number increased as the demonstrators were approaching the town hall and then reached 250,000," he estimated.
The demonstrators marched along a mile and a half route before arriving at the town hall, where several asked the public to denounce "this savage terrorist crime" or to recite poems in praise of Jordan and the royal dynasty.
The civil groups that organized the protests said that no less than 200,000 people took part in the demonstration.
(SOURCE: The Washington Times)
Bahraini Shiites answer Sistani call to protest bombing
(DPA)
23 February 2006
MANAMA - Thousands of Bahraini Shiites organized several marches that lasted well into the night on Wednesday hours after Iraq’s top Shiite cleric, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, called for demonstrations over the bombings that destroyed the shrine of Imam Ali al-Mahdi and Hassan al-Askari in Samarra, Iraq.
Thousands took part in the protest that was organized in the capital Manama, but at least three other protests organized in Shiite villages attracted several hundred people.
Protesters blasted the bombing of Samarra’s Golden Mosque, which is dedicated to the imams Ali al-Hadi and his son Hassan al-Askari. The bombings destroyed the famous dome on the mosque, one of the four holiest Shiite sites in Iraq.
The angry protesters shouted slogans against Al-Qaeda and its supporters, accusing them of attempts to fuel sectarian hatred.
Many marched holding pictures showing the damaged dome and placards equating the attacks with the controversial cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed published in Danish press.
In Manama, one protester shouted through a microphone that only those who have no love for the Prophet Mohammed would attack the resting places of his own blood.
(SOURCE: Khaleej Times Online)
Clerics in Bangladesh decry militants
(DPA)
9 December 2005
DHAKA - Moderate clerics in about half a million mosques across Bangladesh on Friday addressed worshippers by decrying a wave of bomb attacks carried out by suspected Islamic militants that left 23 people dead and 150 injured in less than two weeks, officials said.
"Those who are shedding blood of innocent people in the name of establishing Islamic rule are actually bringing shame on Islam," said Maulana Obaidul Huq, the Khatib (chief cleric) of Baitul Mukarram mosque, the biggest national mosque at the heart of the capital Dhaka.
Huq told about eight thousand worshippers, gathered at the mosque for sabbatical Jumma prayers, to help the security forces capture the fugitive leaders of the militants.
(SOURCE: Khaleej Times Online)
LD BANGLA
B'desh cleric delivers sermon against militancy
BY NADEEM QADIR, DHAKA, DEC 9 (PTI)
Muslim clerics across Bangladesh today gave special sermons during mass prayers against militancy as thousands of people took to the streets to protest the suicide bombings by suspected Islamic militants, police and witnesses said.
Police said special security measures were taken at mosques during the Friday mass prayers with one suspected militant arrested from a Dhaka mosque.
Maulana Obaidul Huq, Bangladesh's chief cleric, who presides at Dhaka's Baitul Mukarram National Mosque, in his sermon said a handful of uneducated and misguided youths were engaged in terrorism killing people in the name of Islam.
"Islam prohibits suicide bombings. These bombers are enemies of Islam...It is a duty for all Muslims to stand up against those who are killing people in the name of Islam," he said.
"They will not be martyrs, but will go to hell," he said, adding "those who are being killed are innocent people, not oppressors. Why then these attacks?"
Huq also called upon clerics in thousands of mosques across the country to mobilise public opnion against terrorism.
(SOURCE: OutlookIndia dot com)
So why haven't they reported any of this? It happened just a few months ago.
There are more cases if you google it. That's actually just a few.
Damn good question!
this is why I think al-jezerra broadcasting in US will be a great idea.
people are same all over the world. we need to see that.
by LCD on Tue Apr 18, 06 6:13pm
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You know why L_D. I sympathise. I really do. But it appears that stupid is the majority. It has to get worse before it gets better. That might destroy humanity... Loss??
Damn, I always forget to add the keywords.
Because they're too cowed to tell the truth.
I agree with mobsie.
Trust in the media is much more convenient for the vast majority who'd rather do anything but stop and think.
Why bother with anything that shows Islam in a good light, its not worth interrupting American Idol and Pro Wrestling for...
It doesn't fit the Bush Administration's narrow viewpoint.
So what? They are hypocrites! Where were these protesters when 9/11 happened, the biggest of all Islamic terror attacks? What about London, Spain and Bali, or Kenya? Why only protest when Muslims are killed or threatened?
Because when only infidels die at the hands of Muslims everything is okay, that's why.
Numerous "infidel" westerners have been kidnapped, terrorized and beheaded. Never heard a peep from these Muslims, did we?
Why do they only feel shame when Muslims are killed.
That picture looks so fake
I thought the same thing.
No, the picture is not a fake.
Do you even know where this peace rally took place?
Hmmmm. Thought not. 
Do you?
Yes, I do.
And...where?
Bangladesh.
So they protest terrorists that blow up mosques, but not tall buildings full of infidels????
Hmmmm. Thought so.
They would be more productive and constructive by protesting the verses in the Quran, teachings of Muhammad.
Your blindness to the facts are in danger of tripping you up, Jinn.
At least read a bit about what led up to it before you fire off with guns-a-blazin'. :)
Mosques being blow up, Muslims being killed...no difference in my point is there?
*is
Ah.... Take off the blinkers.
You really might see further than your own fear and bias if you do. ;)
What makes you think that you - or I - are so different from these people?
They only want peace, and an end to the killing.
What's so unusual about that?
Explain it to me then.
Do you even comprehend the point I making, or are you just disagreeing out of spite?
I know what Quran teaches. The terrorists have got it right. In fact, bin Laden can be considered the truest to his faith.
Jinn, no... Bin Laden is the truest to those who would warp the teachings of Islam.
And, believe me, I would not disagree with you out of spite.
I'm not that way inclined.
Then you do not know your Quran.
The Islam I am opposing is the Islam of the Prophet Muhammad and what he taught in Quran.
because they only print anti Muslim stories so the west will support the future iran war.
and jinn do you really believe binladen is a Muslim? if he's a Muslim then George Bush is a Christain lol
by seon on Tue Apr 18, 06 9:44pm
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It is not *my* Quran, but...
Unfortunately, like the Bible, the Quran can be twisted every which way to suit those with less than honorable intentions.
But isn't that always the way?
Those extremists who want to kill in the name of God, or Allah (same deity, different name) do not represent the majority of peaceful citizens. They twist the meaning of holy texts until they reach some kind of *justification* for their actions.
It doesn't mean they are right.
Bin Laden does not do anthing that his Prophet did not do and teach. Everything bin Laden has done can be justified by the Muhammads teachings 100%.
I don't see it in the same way you do.
I would urge you to seek advice from someone more qualified. Someone better versed in the teachings of peaceful Islam... Someone that you may have overlooked.
Yes, the Bible is nonsense too. I reject it also, but for different reasons. For excample, there are no verses in the Bible calling for Christians to attack and kill innocent followers of other faiths.
The Quran says the words of Allah are CLEAR and PRECISE. The Quran is supposed to be the word of Allah, therefore it is INFALLIBLE. If this were true then why can't all Muslims understand it the same way? It appears Allah was a complete idiot. It is because the Quran is not from any God, but from a tyrant and a madman of the Middle Ages.
What good is a road map if it leads people in different directions who are trying to get to the same place? It is of no use to anyone.
Muslims can't even agree on what the Quran teaches. Who can blame them? The Quran does not make any sense to any sane person that reads it.
"Someone better versed in the teachings of peaceful Islam"
There is no such thing as peaceful Islam. Show me the Islam of peace, where is it? Where is the Islamic paradise?
On the contrary, Jinn... The Old Testament of the Bible contains many verses that seem to incite violence and bloodshed.
Doesn't indicate to me that that's the way to go... Quite the opposite, in fact.
The infallible word of God - if you believe in such a thing - is engraved in the hearts of men, not in some dusty old religious texts.
There are many peace-loving Muslims in the world. I have met some.
True Muslims have nothing in common with bin Laden or his ilk.
I dare you to go up to one or two, and say 'Salaam.'
You may be pleasantly surprised.
I have never been treated with anything other than respect by the Muslim people I have met.
Why shouldn't it be the same for you?
Christianity is following the teachings of "Christ", the New Testament. The old Testament is old tales and stories, not instructions for anyone to follow. Even the Vatican has made that public announcement.
What happened in the Old Testament does not apply to what Islamic terrorists are doing, nor do ancient Biblical tales mitigate the acts of the violence of Muslims. In fact, the Bible says "Thou shalt not kill"
Indeed, it does.
And, if I'm not mistaken, the Quran also states the same precept, using a slightly different vernacular and perspective.
"And do not take any human being's life - that God willed to be sacred - other than in the pursuit of justice."
But in terms of the Bible, in regard to the Old vs. the New Testaments, I much prefer the teachings of the New Testament to those of the Old.
I know people that call themselves Muslims too. But they are Muslim by name only. They are kind and warm people. But calling yourself Muslim does not qualify one as a true Muslim.
Khomeini, the Taliban, bin Laden, they are the true Muslims.
Most Muslims living in the west can't even read or understand Arabic, which is only proper language of Quran. They go to Mosques and recite verses with their Imam, but they havn't got a clue what they are saying. These people aren't Muslims!
And, if I'm not mistaken, the Quran also states the same precept, using a slightly different vernacular and perspective.
Trust me, you are mistaken.
It's a matter of perspective.
You can't see what I see, and I can't see what you see...
Perhaps in time we will both see the Truth, from the very same, identical perspective.
I will leave you to your beliefs, and perhaps just a tiny question that will continue to repeat itself from time to time, like a drumbeat in your soul.
Peace.
Isn't that what the vast majority of human beings want, regardless of religion?
What I say is not invention or opinion, but is based on fact. I know Islam very well, not because I am smart, but because I have read the Quran, and Hadith. Anyone can do that.
"Peace.
Isn't that what the vast majority of human beings want, regardless of religion?"
To get peace you must first rid the world of hate. Islam is a religion of hate. Do you think Islam will disappear? That attacks on infidels will just magicly stop? Do you know what Muslims really mean when they say "Islam is a religion of Peace". They are using "taqiya" (lies and deception) upon the world with that comment.
Peace in Islam is acheived when all people are either converted (submit) to Islam, or they are killed. Peace in Islam will be achieved when Islam (Allah) rules all the Earth.
This is why when leaders in Iran say they are enriching uraniam for "peaceful purposes" they are not actually lying, but they are using taqiya to fool the west.
WHOA WHOA WHOA HOLD ON!
This is absurd. The same users that say "we shouldn't paint islam as evil because the actions of a minority" are now claiming that islam is good becaues 150 000 muslims out of around 1 billion turned out to protest terrorism?
This is hypocrisy at it's finest. Did anyone else notice this?
Jinn it isn’t just Islam. We also need to get rid of the politicians who use the terrorists to help them push forward their agenda.
If we get rid of Islam they’ll just use another religion or institution to pull the problem reaction solution game on us. Yes the terrorists are evil but so are those who aid them.
by seon on Wed Apr 19, 06 1:52am
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I'm glad you brought this to our attention.
^me too, don't really know why it wasn't reported in main stream media, probably combination of all those things you listed.
Because that doesn't support Bush's War on Terra (tm).
The reason these protesters can't be taken seriously is because they are wrong.
Prophet Muhammad said; "I have been made victorious with terror"
(Sahih Bukhari 4:52:220)
If they want to fight terrorism, they need to aim for the correct target, which is right under their noses.
"Jinn it isn’t just Islam. We also need to get rid of the politicians who use the terrorists to help them push forward their agenda."
The brave Abdullah of Jordan does not agree with you. He recently said; "There's a problem inside of Islam. The problem is not Jordan or the United States or Saudi Arabia."
This is a crucial step in the proper direction.
There's no money in peace.
That's King Abdullah of Jordan that made that statement in late 2005, in an interview with a reporter with the Financial Times.
It is probably not entertaining enough for them.
"this is why I think al-jezerra broadcasting in US will be a great idea. people are same all over the world. we need to see that."
by LCD
Well LCD, it will probably interest you to know that al-Jazeera didn't cover the protests either.
It's not shocking enough to draw attention. And it dispels the propaganda that we're in this war alone.
Oh my. Looks like I've struck a nerve.
It's a SHAME that HALF of you refused to answer the question. Why didn't western media report any of this?
Jinn and zig's ongoing argument in this thread show us one thing - the pure evil that is religion.
Religion is a damnable creation - the world is a poorer place for it and the quicker the human race can shed the shackles of organized religion the better.
It is a disgusting state of affairs when normally rational and intelligent people are prepared to argue, fight or kill for what amounts to nothing but fiction.
Its like killing someone because they don't believe that hobbits are real.
'Jinn and zig's ongoing argument in this thread show us one thing - the pure evil that is religion.'
Widehead, whatever impressions you came away with, I was not advocating or even addressing religion...
I was addressing the similarities that exist between different peoples, cultures and those of different beliefs in spite of religion.
I'm not religious in that I don't attend church. I'm more spiritual, but I do believe in a Creator... whom I personally believe is beyond condemning us because of the way we choose to worship him... or not.
I don't see what's so 'evil' about that?
goes against already deeply ingrained stereotypical assumptions. Though jinn makes some valid points - islam in its origins did seek to spread its message by force and with the sword. That may not be the viewpoint of all modern muslims, but it is a viewpoint supported by its oldest and most basic teachings. something to consider anyway.
"It is a disgusting state of affairs when normally rational and intelligent people are prepared to argue, fight or kill for what amounts to nothing but fiction."
by widehead of knowledge
I agree with that statement. By just so you know, I am aginst all religions. My disagreement with Zig was not a defence of any faith I have. I against them all, but I only focus on criticising Islam, not because it is supposed to be religion from a God, but because it is absolutely not that. It is a madmans cult with a doctrine that teaches hate and inspires terrorism from his devoted followers.
Thats good,the media doesnt like good news i guess!
Listen up everybody,Jinn is God,listen to him to know which Muslims are just Muslims by name and who are Muslims by heart(he can read hearts and minds)
What is accomplished by ridiculing those who believe in God or ridiculing those who don't?
All everyone wants is respect for what they believe or not believe in. If people would do that, I think the world would be a better place.
Jinn and zig:
Sorry guys! I guess I wasn't clear enough on my point.
I wasn't saying that either of you were advocating religion or being evil but just that your discussion (which was most fun to follow) simply highlighted all the problems that religion brings.
Sorry if I caused offence - I certainly didn't mean to.
So you're blaming religion for that debate thing that they had.
You know what, lets blame God for the Holocaust too.
No offence taken Widehead. Infact, your point is very valid.
Its Ironic, but religion is they main stumbling block of humanity's goal to find peace.
And LD. You should add al-Jazeera to your list of networks that ignored these stories. They are the "main stream" media of that region. Why?
The English Al-Jazeera reported the first article. I don't know whether the Arabic version reported the rest of those articles. The question was about western mainstream media.
Likey part of the problem was lack of promotion due to lack of experience on the part of the protest organizers. A well timed press release would have helped.
However, this is why i'm skeptical of the sincerity and motives of this so-called anti-terrorism protest. Someone was there to take this nice picture, which just happened to show a beautiful well made English banner. Are they really protesting the Islamic attacks on Muslims, or is this an Islamic PR stunt for the west? Damage control propaganda?
That's the only one I could find that was in English. The rest were in Arabic.
The Bahrain protest was against the Mosque bombing. They did little to speak against ALL terrorism.
The Morrocco, and Bangladesh protest spoke against terrorism all together.
The Amman protest did both.
I've seen the photographs of these protests. This was the only one I found in English. The rest were all Arabic. Now if all (or nearly all) of the signs had been in English then I'd be skeptical too. Like that rally in London (I think it was London) where you had a couple hundred Muslism hold up anti-terrorism signs.
I don't think that the picture is doctored though. You can tell by the waves in the banner.
I'm assuming the full statement of the sign reads "No Terrorism in Islam". Have you seen a pic with the full sign in view?
ex cia agents, ex republicans and millions of other americans agree and in fact 50% of new yorkers do. But millions of people believing in something doesnt make it true, the facts do.
Bush thereatened to arrest any fbi agent who tried to arrest one of Binladens brothers who was connected to a islamic terror cell. i forget his name but I can send you the article if you want.
It will probally be in a week or so though. My internet isnt working so I'm forced to use public computers.
Also Bush flew the binladens out of america after 911 and he even let the talaban generals fly out of afganatsan to safty (at least according to some in the us milintary)
by seon on Thu Apr 20, 06 9:46pm
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I found it on a blog website. The original source page of the picture (from yahoo) has expired so I haven't seen the whole view of banner.
I was sketical about it. I wasn's sure if I should've put that one up because it doesn't include the whole sentence. But I assumed that it would be something positive since that entire rally was based on "Islam doesn't support terrorism". I've actually found a link on BBC, now that I've looked for the source of the picture.
http://news (dot) bbc (dot) co (dot) uk/1/hi /world/ south_asia /4512406 (dot) stm
The picture itself is a bit irrelevant either way. It's the writing below the ballot that I focused on. I just put any picture. Feel free to look up the other pictures.
I read the BBC report. Its too bad there are varying views on Quran interpretation.
I would like to see an Islamic summit, or several, with a gathering of the top respected clercis representing all Islamic countries. Together they need to come to a united agreement one what is being said and tought in Quran. Clerics and Imams should have to pass tests for certification before they go out to do their "darwah" (preach).
The problem with Islam is that clerics and Imams are given unquestioned and unchallenged freedom to make their own interpretations of Quranic Surahs and their verses.
Regarding Quran, who is really right? This is the problem. I have read Quran, and many verses are frightening to say the least.
I got my internet connection back today so I thought i'd point out who agrees with my views. Also Jonn I sent you a public message this site wont let me post links.
The list is:
former presidential advisor and CIA analyst Ray McGovern, the father of Reaganomics and former Assistant Secretary of the US Treasury Paul Craig Roberts, BYU physics Professor Steven Jones, former German defense minister Andreas von Buelow, former MI5 officer David Shayler, former Blair cabinet member Michael Meacher, former Chief Economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds.
by seon on Fri Apr 21, 06 3:29am
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The Koran, like the Bible is open to interpretation. That's why there are so many different sects in both of the religions. The problem with Islam is the same problem with every other religion. Too many different different, radical interpretations. What makes Islam different is that in Islamic countries, these clerics actually get power to put out what they are doing. Christianity has its Pat Robertson, its Jerry Falwell, its Pat Buchanans. It has its hardliners. But they never get power do they? If Pat Robertson gained control over America it would become a police state over night. But that's what makes the west different. If the east had its human rights reformation and a secular way of life then this would not be a problem. The Kameneis, the Bin Ladens wouldn't have power if the east had a reformation.
Who is right? The only answer I can give is something that I heard an Islamic scholar say when he was asked whether he believed that Wahhabism was a real form of Islam. He said:
'There's no such thing as a "real" Muslim, there's no such thing as a "real" American or Christian. It's their interpretation of the Koran, Bible and Constitution that make the who they are.'
All I know is that the east could use some reform regardless to religion.
Perhaps an era of enlightenment similar to the one that Europe saw during the 1700s.
I thought i'd point out that I used to look at pat robertson and think all Christans were like him, just like with binladen and all Muslims. But now I know thats not the case.
by seon on Fri Apr 21, 06 5:11pm
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