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"THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE. THERE IS ONLY MEDICINE THAT WORKS AND MEDICINE THAT DOESN'T WORK"

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"THERE IS NO ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE. THERE IS ONLY MEDICINE THAT WORKS AND MEDICINE THAT DOESN'T WORK"


[+] serious ballot by wideheadofknowledge
ACTIVE Mon Apr 24, 06 - Sat Dec 15, 07

Hmmm.

Touch therapy, psychic healing, homeopathy, iridology, urine therapy....

All a load of nonsense or really beneficial?

It's all nonsense
It's all good
Some good - some nonsense


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90% of it is nonsense
by nuckinfutz on Mon Apr 24, 06 3:46pm [+]

I think there is a lot in natural medicines, how can a million years of knowledge be wrong?
by Steelhamster on Mon Apr 24, 06 3:52pm [+]

If it works, it works.

I suppose it depends on what you try to benefit. You could ask the same question about modern drugs. such as ritalin and valium. Do they work? At least generally speaking alternative therapy isnt dangerous.. :P
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 24, 06 3:53pm [+]

What about people who are led away from effective mainstream medicines by the lure of alternative, natural and ineffective remedies?

The reason why alternative medicine is labeled as such is because they have failed to show any beneficial effects required by mainstream medicine.

The placebo effect is real and very powerful and accounts for virtually all claims made by alternative medicine.

Steel: I think you are cnofusing alternative with natural. Asprin is natural but not alternative.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Apr 24, 06 4:08pm [+]

I think thats darwinism in action Widehead.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 24, 06 4:17pm [+]

Most alternative medicines are nonsense, worthless except perhaps a placebo effect on the true believers. Some traditional medicine has actual value (like acupuncture activates the natural analgesic system, so it does have a scientific bassi), but should be studied carefully first by real doctors and scientists.

Of course many western doctors and researchers approach these practices (predominately from eastern medicine) with contempt without even looking in to them, which is wrong, they should do their best to maintain professional objectivity until all the facts are in.
by herzog on Mon Apr 24, 06 4:20pm [+]

Certainly you cant tell me that teatree isnt an antiseptic. But without aromatherapy it may not have come into mainstream use.

It's a natural medicine that the mainstream didnt use. It does now though. Which means that your claim to them having no effect is wrong. Natural doesnt imply mainstream medicine so your aspirin analogy is only half right. Yes modern medicine uses natural ingredients. But so does alternative therapy.

How many people have died because the "Mainstream" medicines were faulty.

Remember thalidomide?
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 24, 06 4:23pm [+]

We are not arguing about the benefits of natural vs manufactured substances here mobs.

Mainstream medicine uses countless naturally occuring substances.

The use of teatree as an antiseptic has nothing whatsoever to do with its alternative use in aromatherapy.

Alternative therapies simply do not have the effects they claim. If they did they would be mainstream.

Disastrous side effects like that with thalidomide are few and far between now due to more rigourous testing - test which alternative medicines and therapies fail every time.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Apr 24, 06 5:02pm [+]

" The use of teatree as an antiseptic has nothing whatsoever to do with its alternative use in aromatherapy. "

I disagree. It was aromatherapy that highlighted its value as an antiseptic to me. Aromatherapy differentiates between the various essential oils. Properties beyond just making somewhere smell nice.

" Disastrous side effects like that with thalidomide are few and far between now due to more rigourous testing - test which alternative medicines and therapies fail every time."

Not true. Testing is known to be rushed. It wasnt long ago around over 5000 americans died because of a drug which caused heart attacks. Not that you hear about it much.

If you are to say that alternative therapy can be dangerous then you have to also accept that modern medicine is seriously badly handled.

I'd prefer a massage in oil to an aspirin anyday.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 24, 06 5:10pm [+]

Theres nothing natural about most new medicines. Aspirin isnt natural anyway. Its synthesised. Therefore synthetic. It certainly grows naturally. But thats not what the tablets come from.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Apr 24, 06 5:17pm [+]

i would consider "alternative" medicine anything outside of the mainstream AMA approved medicine. Some of it is valid, a lot of it is nonsense. lots of people think chiropractors are quacks, others swear they help them.....
The ones you've listed, eh - i have my doubts.....
by lightreaper on Mon Apr 24, 06 5:50pm [+]

mobs: a massage in oil would provide you with no medical benefit. It might relax you or make you feel good but it is not medicinal.

Try to focus on alternative therapies as providing some curative or preventative action.

I am not debating the "feel-good factor" of any of it - I am simply saying alternative medicines do not provide medical benefits outside of the placebo effect.
by wideheadofknowledge on Mon Apr 24, 06 6:25pm [+]

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