ARE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL RIGHTS AS VALID IN TERMS OF HUMAN RIGHTS AS POLITICAL AND CIVIL RIGHTS?

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ethics : ARE ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL RIGHTS AS VALID IN TERMS OF HUMAN RIGHTS AS POLITICAL AND CIVIL RIGHTS?

[+] serious ballot by Mithrandir
created Thu May 25, 06
Do individuals have a right to reasonable welfare rates that allow them to live in human dignity and within a basic acceptable standard of living as part of their fundamental human rights? In a wealthy society, is it acceptable that some still live in abject poverty? We're not talking about the latest electronic gadgets here, but adequate and nourishing food, safe housing, access to education and/or re-education, health and basic social services.

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COMMENTS:
But what do I know? I'm a step short of being Marxist, I'm told.

by Truthseeker013 on Thu May 25, 06 11:44am [+]

I believe that human life and dignity trumps all else in life.

by Truthseeker013 on Thu May 25, 06 11:45am [+]

Yes, I believe we should strive to establish some minimum standards for people.

by Cathexis on Thu May 25, 06 11:46am [+]

^I agree with the above

by oh_what_a_relief on Thu May 25, 06 12:21pm [+]

I wonder if anyone can guess where I lean in this subject?

by Steelhamster on Thu May 25, 06 12:28pm [+]

i am all for social programs. everyone gets all worked up about people getting welfare. my attitude is that if we took the money we spent on the military every year, there would be jobs enough for everyone. personally, if there are people in need, you do for them. if a few take advantage of the system, you have to keep in mind that a vast majority do not and that is who we need to focus on.

by Kev24 on Thu May 25, 06 12:39pm [+]

i guess when it comes to social programs and assisting the less fortunate, i'm a socialist. not sure if thats the right term. education, healthcare, etc., are much more important than wasting money on the war machine.

by Kev24 on Thu May 25, 06 12:40pm [+]

I agree with this "perfect world" delusion, but there must be incentive to get off welfare.

by elvislennon on Thu May 25, 06 2:23pm [+]

Honesty, Mith, I cannot imagine how any "right" could exist without political, legal, and human rights.

by xxxxxxxx on Thu May 25, 06 3:26pm [+]

I have no problem with helping people out if they're in need. But I would not place welfare up there with say the right to freedom of speech.

True rights are lined out in the constitution and deal mostly with what the government is not allowed to do. Using your rights imposes no burden on anyone else, that is important.

Handouts, however compassionate they may be, do impose a burden on people not using them, this means they cannot be a legitimate 'right' such as those outlined in the constitution.

by herzog on Thu May 25, 06 4:36pm [+]

You can't have economic and social rights (whatever this is) without first having political and civil rights. Unless of course, you like the old Soviet system.

by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Thu May 25, 06 5:03pm [+]

No one has the right to prevent them from recieving that, but no one should be forced to give it to them either. A "right" that requires the violation of someone else's rights cannot be just.

by thc2883 on Fri May 26, 06 3:50am [+]

Economic rights? Does that mean things like the right to choose what to do with one's own wealth? Does that not clash with forced collectivism through taxation?

by xxxxxxxx on Fri May 26, 06 9:06am [+]

In these discussions I always wish people would widen their scope.

by Ignatius_J_Reilly on Fri May 26, 06 10:36am [+]

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