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As we know more, through science, more and more of the bible becomes irrelevant.
They are only mutually exclusive if one insists on taking the Bible literally.
When approached as a collection of metaphors, much of the Bible takes on a much different and deeper meaning, IMO.
Now, I daresay there *will* be some parts that are incongruous ... which is almost inevitable, when one looks at the origins of collecting the various books and 'authorizing' them as 'The Bible.'
While I note that I don't believe all portions of the Bible are true, I don't think evolution, per se, is the conflict with those parts (assuming metaphor vs literal reading).
Mutually exclusive to those who insist on taking the Bible literally.
(To paraphrase my esteemed colleague, Cathexis :-)
by mojo on Fri May 26, 06 12:24pm
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^Lol, a perfect example of picking the difficult path to tread through a comment.
If a manual labourer such as a fisherman or an unemployed carpenter told you he knew the meaning of life, etc. today, he'd be laughed at and/or thought of as a dangerous nutter that was probably on drugs.
So why does such a story gain credibility because it (allegedly) happened a long time ago?
And besides which - adult literacy rates were undoubtedly a lot lower in biblical times than they are nowadays. I accept that e.g. a tax collecter *might* have been able to scratch a few basic words down, but a fisherman? Not a chance.
Face facts, people. The bible's almost certainly a hoax. Well-intended it may be, but a hoax nonetheless.
Hold on, who says that Adam and Eve were no created by evolution?Let us say that God created Adam and Eve through evolution and they then you would still be able to have your cake and eat it too.Not that I believe in Adam and Eve I'm just playing devil's advocate.
"Follow the gourd, the holy gourd of Jerusalem..."
:-)
The bible claims that Eve was fashioned from one of Adam's ribs. That's pretty fast evolution...
Yeah well in the Bible it said that God created the world in six days; well who is to say that six days to God is 6 million years to us?If that is so then evolution could have taken place.
Then why does the bible say "he made" rather than "things evolved"?
It's either one or the other. And fossils have been found...
Cause D.D God would be the one who made the organism that evolved into man.Can evolution explain where the original organism came from?The last time I check I believe life on earth was a product of exploding and dying stars.If that is the case then one could argue that God cause these explosions and thus he is the ultimate creator.
Yep, I know... religious people will always insist that a divine being had a hand in things no matter how far back you take it or how far-fetched their eventual explanation may be.
Of course, it's just as plausible that no such divine being exists, and that we humans have invented the idea of god so we don't feel so small & insignificant. Or perhaps it's arrogance, I don't know.
In fact, I'd say it's rather more plausible that divine beings *don't* exist, since there is not one shred of verifiable proof to indicate that they do.
But this ballot is about christianity, and it's undeniably the case that the christian bible contains many crass contradictions and, at times, is little more than rambling nonsense.
I have read many good books. Sometimes, lessons are learned. Biographies are usually mostly true. Ideas can be lost in translation. We are thinking beings. Science is provable and doesn't require faith.
I'm not religious D.D,I don't believe in the Bible either.I'm just giving you the religious argument I hear all the time.
Yes, I worked that out from comments you've made on other ballots about religion, Corrupt :-)
Shark_bite: biographies tend to be less accurate where history, religion or folklore are concerned. For example, there's not a shred of contemporary evidence for e.g. Vikings having worn horned helmets or Alfred having burnt the cakes while he was hiding from the Danes at Athelney. And don't get me started on Robin bloody Hood... no way was he a cartoon fox.
It is pointless to comment on this ballot as people post the same stuff on a ballot not much different to the 500 others you have posted on this subject.
It's not pointless at all, I like mocking credulous idiots ;-)
The bible claims that Eve was fashioned from one of Adam's ribs. That's pretty fast evolution...
by DingleDUNG
Genetics... Make of that what you will.
Then why does the bible say "he made" rather than "things evolved"?
by DingleDUNG
Most probably because people thousands of years ago had no knowledge of evolution or genetics and explained things the only way they knew how. It was sort of their form of Occam's razor. It doesnt mean they were deliberate hoaxers or liars, it just means that they didnt have the knowledge that we have now and tried to explain things the best they could using the mindset at the time.
OK, I'll accept that G_P, but that doesn't explain why some people are still so wilfully credulous in this modern, comparatively-enlightened age. The old beliefs just don't stand up to scrutiny, and the bible should be abandoned (except as a guide for moral conduct) along with all those old outdated maps where the Earth is flat, and the sun & planets revolve around it.
Yes its possible God used evolution to create us. However I don’t believe in evolution because there’s no evidence the evolution process actually happened. All the scientists have is fossils of animal’s simular to each other and a bunch of theories.
by seon on Fri May 26, 06 5:06pm
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OK, I'll accept that G_P, but that doesn't explain why some people are still so wilfully credulous in this modern, comparatively-enlightened age. The old beliefs just don't stand up to scrutiny, and the bible should be abandoned (except as a guide for moral conduct)...
by DingleDUNG
Why change if something appears to be working? It's just like someone carrying around a lucky charm when they're a teenager because they had some goodluck when they had a certain item in their pocket. Years later, after growing up and finding that the little lucky charm really had no effect on their luck, they still carry it around. Usually either out of nostalgia or out of an almost subconscious fear of what would happen if they didnt.
And some, from their perspective, see the factual things in the Bible and assume that because a few things can be proven, the other things in it must have an element of truth in it also. Deep down, many know the possibility of it not being scientifically solid, but it's working for them so they dont make much of an effort to try and change beliefs. Change is hard enough for some people, changing something as personal as a belief system is even harder.
There's a hundred other psychological and sociological reasons why people believe in what they do, but those are probably the most simplest. The main reason though is like I mentioned above.. it's working for them so why change.
seon the fossils prove that humans have went through serval stages of evolution.What type of proof would convince you that evolution happened?
Many current scientists belive evolution has indeed occured in people as well as animals. For instance more people today never get wisdom teeth. It's believed by scientists that it's because we dont need them anymore. Same with the appendix. Why have an organ that is used for nothing? It's more than likely a leftover from when it did serve a purpose. Some theorize that it was once the size of a grapefruit and aided in the digestion of raw plant material.
As for animals, read about the giraffes and the acacia trees that they eat. It's a good example of animals and plants batteling it out via evolultion.
And some current evolutionists even point at the serpent in the book of Genesis. The serpent that supposedly told Eve to eat the fruit was not a snake. Snakes dont have legs. It was only until after God cursed it that it was made to "forever crawl upon it's belly". Some say that's a biblical example of evolution. Like I mentioned earlier, the people around at that time had no knowledge of evolution, so they explained things the only way they knew how.
Corrupt All the fossils do is prove that they were similar creatures. I guess I’d want to see fossils of the evolution process actually happening.
Even if evolution happened how can something come from nothing? There’d have to be some sort of intelligent designer plus was the first life form who came out of nothing a male or a female?
by seon on Sat May 27, 06 8:11pm
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^ the first animals probably evolved upwards from single-cell organisms that procreated by cell division, seon. And your own spleen or coccyx should be all the proof you need of evolution.
Voted : Yes. I will comment.
Everything God did can be defined in scientific terms.
Everything God did can be explained in scientific terms.
Voted : Yes. I will comment.
Sure, just rewrite the Bible to include Evolution. People have been interpreting the Bible as they choose for centuries anyway, so no real harm...
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