DO YOU AGREE WITH REP. JOHN MURTHA THAT THE HADITHA MASSACRE WILL HURT U.S. EFFORTS IN IRAQ?

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DO YOU AGREE WITH REP. JOHN MURTHA THAT THE HADITHA MASSACRE WILL HURT U.S. EFFORTS IN IRAQ?


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ACTIVE Tue May 30, 06 - Sun Feb 22, 09

Murtha: Atrocities destroy U.S. efforts in Iraq

Rep. John Murtha who -- unlike President George W. Bush -- served his country in war says the deaths of as many as two dozen Iraqi civilians and an ensuing cover-up threaten to do more harm to U.S. efforts in Iraq than even the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

"This is the kind of war you have to win the hearts and minds of the people," Murtha, D-Pa., said Sunday. "And we're set back every time something like this happens. This is worse than Abu Ghraib."

(Capitol Hill Blue, May 29, 2006, 07:21)

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Do you agree, will incidents such as these damage the U.S. effort in it's occupation of Iraq, or will the Iraqi people understand that a military force must be free to act without limitations in discharging it's duties, in the name of the ultimate goal?

Yes, such incidents cause serious harm to the war effort
No, the people of Iraq will understand that such things happen in the fog of war


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QUOTE: '..or will the Iraqi people understand that a military force must be free to act without limitations in discharging it's duties..'

Are you taking the piss?

by B_P on Tue May 30, 06 7:45am [+]

No, I've actually heard similar comments on B&W, that when the military is sent in, it should be without restrictions on it's behavior, because in war anything goes, and if you don't go all out you are at a severe disadvantage to the enemy. That sort of thinking has been used to justify Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, the secret CIA prisons, torture, etc.
by cranky on Tue May 30, 06 8:43am [+]

Definately. You can't push people around and expect them to just take it. You can't tell the Iraqis that it's just one incident and expect them to forgive you. And the more that this happens, the worse it is for the US. These "incidents" happen all the time, it's just that the army did a shitty job covering this one up.
by habeas_corpus on Tue May 30, 06 9:39am [+]

It's a bruise to the image we're trying to foster, that we're bringing civilization to the region. Anybody *other* than me remember that speech?
by Truthseeker013 on Tue May 30, 06 3:46pm [+]

Are you kidding? John Murtha and this incident are a grain of sand on the beach. Goddamn people swallowing incidents like this through the media think it's going to make a bit of difference -- as if it is going to be a footnote in the history books.
by Applerod on Tue May 30, 06 5:10pm [+]

Former Senator,Bob Kerry ordered his troops to do a similar thing in Vietnam and he ended up getting a bronze star.

Google the 60 Minutes story: Memories Of A Massacre.
by ClosetIguana on Wed May 31, 06 11:53am [+]

Is this ballot a joke? "Does pressing the brake on a car typically cause the car to slow down?"

Of course this hurts the war effort, we have already seen it here with increased hostility in some areas that had been relatively docile, even welcoming before.

The problem is this: Murtha does not make any f'ing effort whatsoever to recognize any of the good that is going on, and for THAT reason, I find his opinions to be completely irrelevant. Sure, he'll continue to rattle the cage and talk about how he was an marine and bla bla blah, but guess what? Current Marines hate the guy, they find him to be offensive and a pompous windbag. If he were giving equal treatment to the good and the bad, it would require him to talk for 999 minutes about the good and one minute about the bad. That's the ratio folks.
by jappy on Sun Jun 18, 06 5:51pm [+]






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