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US INTENTIONAL MASSACRE OF IRAQI CIVILLIANS IN HADITHA... AND ATTEMPTED COVER-UP? DOES THIS MAKE YOU DISTRUST THE AMERICAN MILITARY EVEN MORE?

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US INTENTIONAL MASSACRE OF IRAQI CIVILLIANS IN HADITHA... AND ATTEMPTED COVER-UP? DOES THIS MAKE YOU DISTRUST THE AMERICAN MILITARY EVEN MORE?


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created Wed May 31, 06

Haditha: Massacre and cover-up?
By Martin Asser
BBC News

"Haditha is an agricultural community of about 90,000 inhabitants on the banks of the Euphrates north-west of Baghdad.
It lies in the huge western province of Anbar, which has been the heartland of the insurgency since US troops led the invasion of Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein in 2003.

It is a dangerous place for the US marines who control this part of Iraq and for the inhabitants, caught between insurgents and American troops.


On the morning of 19 November 2005, the Subhani neighbourhood was the scene of an event that has become like the pulse of the insurgency - a roadside bomb targeting a US military patrol.
It killed 20-year-old Lance Corp Miguel (TJ) Terrazas, driving one of four humvee vehicles in the patrol, and injured two other marines.


A simple US military statement hinted at the bloody chain of events which the attack started - though subsequent scrutiny showed it to be far from the truth.
It said: "A US marine and 15 civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha.

"Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small arms fire. Iraqi army soldiers and marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another."

Video footage

The tragedy of Haditha may have been left at that - just another statistic of "war-torn" Iraq, a place too dangerous to be reported properly by journalists, where openness is not in the interests of political and military circles, and the sheer scale of death numbs the senses.

However, a day after the incident, local journalist Taher Thabet got his video camera out and filmed scenes that - whatever they were - were not the aftermath of a roadside bomb.


The bodies of women and children, still in their nightclothes; interior walls and ceilings peppered with bullet holes; bloodstains on the floor.
Mr Thabet's tape prompted an investigation by the Iraqi human rights group Hammurabi, which passed details onto the US weekly magazine Time in January.

Before publishing its account on 19 March, the magazine passed the tape to US military commanders in Baghdad, who initiated a preliminary investigation.

Following their findings, the official version was changed to say that, after the roadside bomb, the 15 civilians had been accidentally shot by marines during a firefight with insurgents.

Nevertheless, on 9 March the top commanders in Baghdad began a criminal investigation, led by the Naval Criminal Investigation Service (NCIS). Its report is expected within days.

On 7 April three officers in charge of troops in Haditha were also stripped of their command and reassigned.

Pretended to die

Eyewitness accounts suggest that comrades of Lance Corp Terrazas, far from coming under enemy fire, went on the rampage in Haditha after his death.


"A US soldier came in and shot at us, I pretended to be dead and he didn't notice me."
Safa Younis

Twelve-year-old Safa Younis appears in a Hammurabi video saying she was in one of three houses where troops came in and indiscriminately killed family members.
"They knocked at our front door and my father went to open it. They shot him dead from behind the door and then they shot him again," she says in the video.

"Then one American soldier came in and shot at us all. I pretended to be dead and he didn't notice me."

Hammurabi says eight people died in the house, including Safa's five siblings, aged between 14 and two.

In another house seven people including a child and his 70-year-old grandfather were killed. Four brothers aged 41 to 24 died in a third house. Eyewitnesses said they were forced into a wardrobe and shot.

Outside in the street, US troops are said to have gunned down four students and a taxi driver who they stopped at a roadblock set up after the bombing.

Damage

The Pentagon has said little about the Haditha deaths publicly, and in Iraq the incident has caused little controversy - US troops there are already routinely viewed as trigger happy and indifferent to Iraqi casualties.

But politicians in Washington who have been briefed on the military investigation say it backs the story that marines killed civilians in cold blood.

The chairman of the Senate armed services committee, John Warner, says it will hold hearings into the incident and how it was handled.

Media commentators have spoken of it as "Iraq's My Lai" - a reference to the 1968 massacre of 500 villagers in Vietnam.

Democrat congressman John Murtha, a former marine and war veteran, has said the Haditha incident could turn out to be an even bigger scandal than the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal.

The Marine Corps has responded to Mr Murtha by saying it would be inappropriate to comment on an ongoing investigation, but would do so "as soon as the facts are known and decisions on future actions are made". "

(End of Source)


Does this make you distrust the military more? Considering not only the actions of the soldiers, but also the attempt to cover it up.





Yes, it makes me distrust the US military more
No, I always distrusted the American military, this shocks me but does not surprise me
No, I still trust the American military and will explain why below
No


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COMMENTS:
What else are they lying about?
by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 31, 06 6:51am [+]

While the allegded Haditha massacre appears to have been covered up both by the Marines who allegdly committed the crimes and their C.Os I still believe that 99.9% of military officials are honest men.Massacres happen during war and soldiers committ crimes against civilizians but what should matter to us is how the military handles the investagation and possible prosecution.
by Corrupt on Wed May 31, 06 6:56am [+]

** karma **
by aplmac on Wed May 31, 06 7:06am [+]

aplmac- oh, a jingoist?
by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 31, 06 7:11am [+]

Anyway, Corrupt, yes, I believe that most troops have good intentions. But, how is one to know that there are not one or two otehr incidents as such that have occured in Iraq? This is what I mean when I say I feel more distrust.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 31, 06 7:14am [+]

NOTE: the idea that I have more distrust now, indicates that I had previously had higher expectations of the US military (for some reason).
by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 31, 06 7:16am [+]

There is no excuse for murdering children in cold blood. I don't care how stressed you are. And it isn't like the Iraqis invited us there.
by cranky on Wed May 31, 06 7:21am [+]

I dont believe in clean, honorable wars simply because wars destroy our ability to think straight. In this particular chapter I dont think the US troops any any worse than any other. European forces have committed atrocities, african troops do that all over the continent, Asians have done it too.
What really pisses me off is the claim by the american authorities that they are morally superior. No one really buys that any more...
by seamus on Wed May 31, 06 7:26am [+]

^Amen to that.
by DingleDUNG on Wed May 31, 06 7:41am [+]

^American troops are morally superior to Al Qeda and other terrorist because we dont intentionly attack civilians.This case being the exception ofcourse.
by Corrupt on Wed May 31, 06 7:43am [+]

You guy are surprised at this? Don't you guys watch Frontline or CBC?
by um__yeah on Wed May 31, 06 8:09am [+]

Honestly,I never trusted the US military and as an Iraqi I would be frightened from them.But this is shocking,especially the cover-up
by drinkaholic on Wed May 31, 06 10:07am [+]

If you know anything about the american military, this is not surprising at all.
by The_Dude on Wed May 31, 06 10:24am [+]

WAR IS HELL !
Allow for human malfunctions, despite the training.
You sit in your safe judgemental armchair far far away from the danger of ..that FREEWAY NEAR YOU, far less f-ing I-raq.
Walk an Iraqi mile in their shoes, surrounded by WELL-BEHAVED, PREDICTABLE DARLING IRAQUI ARABS
(who I hope come to infest YOUR neighbourhood)
..Iraquis of all stripes, and see if YOU don't get trigger-happy.
Frankly, I'm surprised there isn't more such edginess!

GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys,
so you can go home to your mothers in one piece
(and I DON'T often make pro-U.S. statements like THAT!)
by aplmac on Wed May 31, 06 12:19pm [+]

Because what happened here is *not* indicative of the actions, behavior and mindset of the Corps. I have five friends who are Marines, and *none* of them would do such a thing, or abet its occurence.
by Truthseeker013 on Wed May 31, 06 2:03pm [+]

GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys,
so you can go home to your mothers in one piece

At whatever cost, right aplmac?
by aya on Wed May 31, 06 4:06pm [+]

Er... can someone remind me why Americans are in Iraq in the first place?
by DingleDUNG on Wed May 31, 06 6:02pm [+]

I never trusted them from the start. From the Korean war, to Vietnam, to Panama, to the first Iraq invasion, the US army has done nothing but slaughter the inhabitants of those lands whether they were or weren't involved in the war. No one's stupid, well except aplmac.

"GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys,
so you can go home to your mothers in one piece"

Perhaps if they hadn't went there in the first place they wouldn't need to do "whatevers neccessary to survive"? Ever think about that smartass?
by habeas_corpus on Wed May 31, 06 6:38pm [+]

aplmac- it wasn't self-defense AND it wasn't accidently shooting civillians (including children). It was intentional. It is not even about civillians caught in a cross-fire, but about an intentional targeting of them. Your argument does not hold any connection.

by xxxxxxxx on Wed May 31, 06 9:48pm [+]

You need to see both sides of this story and make an unbiased and well educated conclusion about what happened.

The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that.

That being said, however, the cover up is quite alarming, but wow, name ANY PART of ANY SEGMENT of the our nation that doesn't try to cover up it's transgressions rather than rectify thru admission of guilt and restitution. The US Government, our financial sectors, our churches, the ACLU, the NAACP, there isn't one of them that is innocent in that respect, and it's perpetuated by our fraudulent judicial system, where the best defense is the best lie,not the truth.

However, this doesn't make what happened right. If in fact it turns out that these Marines did indeed shoot these Iraqi people unprovoked, then there is g
by jappy on Thu Jun 01, 06 1:23am [+]

Aya, sweetie, have you ever shot a gun?

Ever shot a dog? a cat?
No?
I didn't think so.

Your idea of a tough Toronto morning
is a rough subway ride, followed by Loblaw's fulla tourists! awww..

Oh you're SO young..
by aplmac on Thu Jun 01, 06 10:07am [+]

Aya, I need your postal address, honey!
I'm sending you a free 2 year subscription to Soldier Of Fortune magazine,
to help toughen you up to the realities of what goes on in the REAL world,
outside of northern North America.
by aplmac on Thu Jun 01, 06 10:09am [+]

Your idea of a tough Toronto morning
is a rough subway ride, followed by Loblaw's fulla tourists! awww..

Hay Loblaws is tough man! One day I had 13 items and checked out at the 12 items or less queue and it was hell let ,me tell ya.
by um__yeah on Thu Jun 01, 06 10:23am [+]

"The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that."

Jappy, we expect terrorists to do this. We don't expect (or some people don't) the US army to do it so we give it attention. Not that either are right, it's just that it's not news when a terrorist does it. It is news when we hear things like this.

"Ever shot a dog? a cat?
No?
I didn't think so."

Oh wow, she hasn't shot an innocent animal so she's automatically wrong on the issue? She hasn't shot at kittens so somehow according to your twisted views that makes her less of a person? Get help you sick freak.

"Soldier Of Fortune magazine,
to help toughen you up to the realities of what goes on in the REAL world"

Oh yeah, that'll help her! Send her a 2 year subscription of a magazine that men who are insecure about their sexuality read, that'll work.
by habeas_corpus on Thu Jun 01, 06 3:09pm [+]

** karma **
by DingleDUNG on Thu Jun 01, 06 6:20pm [+]

The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that."

Jappy, we expect terrorists to do this. We don't expect (or some people don't) the US army to do it so we give it attention. Not that either are right, it's just that it's not news when a terrorist does it. It is news when we hear things like this.
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But the issue I'm addressing with that is there may be something more to this that we haven't heard yet, if the insurgents were hiding in the house, or what. It's troubling to say the least, because it appears they were systematically eliminated and then they lied about it, but appearances can be deceiving. I'm going to wait to see how this plays out.

What is frustrating is that there are hundreds of thousands of other service members who are doing a wonderful job and you get retards who question US because of what such a tiny percentage, the bad seeds, are doing.
by jappy on Thu Jun 01, 06 10:04pm [+]

It hasn't been fully investigated and we will probably never really know what went down. Either way the story alone makes the US look bad.

"What is frustrating is that there are hundreds of thousands of other service members who are doing a wonderful job and you get retards who question US because of what such a tiny percentage, the bad seeds, are doing."

It happens all the time. The use of generalization is an overused human trait. It happened with the Arabs right after 9-11 and not it's happening to the US during the Iraq war. It's not directed at anyone specifically, it's just that the media has it's way of spinning things and overexaggurating.
by habeas_corpus on Fri Jun 02, 06 9:47am [+]

HANFORD, Calif. Jun 4, 2006 (AP)— A Marine who followed orders to photograph corpses of Iraqis allegedly slain by members of his unit last fall claims post-traumatic stress drove him to commit felonies while on leave, his mother said.

Lance Cpl. Roel Ryan Briones, 21, is accused of stealing a truck and crashing it into a house in Hanford in April.

He was charged Friday with felony auto theft, hit-and-run and drunken driving, according to Kings County District Attorney Ronald Calhoun.

Briones' mother, Susie, told The Fresno Bee this week that her son hit his breaking point during the April incident.

His best friend was killed Nov. 19, the day of the attack in the western Iraqi city of Haditha, and he was still grieving when he was sent in to clean up the bodies of the Iraqi civilians.

Susie Briones said her son told her he saw the bodies of 23 dead Iraqis that day. Twenty-four were slain.

U.S. authorities have launched two investigations one into the deadly encounter itself and another into whether it was the subject of a cover-up.

Ryan Briones is seeing a psychologist in San Diego to help deal with the stress, and military officials are aware of his deteriorating mental health, his mother said.

Calhoun said he was aware of Briones' situation, adding that the Marine has agreed to be evaluated by a psychiatrist to determine whether he has post-traumatic stress and whether it played a role in the alleged crime.
by aplmac on Sun Jun 04, 06 3:46am [+]

"Er... can someone remind me why Americans are in Iraq in the first place?"

Listen up. The economic, technological and health-related situation of the US is so bad that the US govt. had to redirect the attention of its citizens to an international war, during which Bush could shout "Hey, people, I'm the War President!"
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Jun 29, 06 9:23am [+]






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