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What else are they lying about?
While the allegded Haditha massacre appears to have been covered up both by the Marines who allegdly committed the crimes and their C.Os I still believe that 99.9% of military officials are honest men.Massacres happen during war and soldiers committ crimes against civilizians but what should matter to us is how the military handles the investagation and possible prosecution.
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aplmac- oh, a jingoist?
Anyway, Corrupt, yes, I believe that most troops have good intentions. But, how is one to know that there are not one or two otehr incidents as such that have occured in Iraq? This is what I mean when I say I feel more distrust.
NOTE: the idea that I have more distrust now, indicates that I had previously had higher expectations of the US military (for some reason).
There is no excuse for murdering children in cold blood. I don't care how stressed you are. And it isn't like the Iraqis invited us there.
I dont believe in clean, honorable wars simply because wars destroy our ability to think straight. In this particular chapter I dont think the US troops any any worse than any other. European forces have committed atrocities, african troops do that all over the continent, Asians have done it too. What really pisses me off is the claim by the american authorities that they are morally superior. No one really buys that any more...
^Amen to that.
^American troops are morally superior to Al Qeda and other terrorist because we dont intentionly attack civilians.This case being the exception ofcourse.
You guy are surprised at this? Don't you guys watch Frontline or CBC?
Honestly,I never trusted the US military and as an Iraqi I would be frightened from them.But this is shocking,especially the cover-up
If you know anything about the american military, this is not surprising at all.
WAR IS HELL ! Allow for human malfunctions, despite the training. You sit in your safe judgemental armchair far far away from the danger of ..that FREEWAY NEAR YOU, far less f-ing I-raq. Walk an Iraqi mile in their shoes, surrounded by WELL-BEHAVED, PREDICTABLE DARLING IRAQUI ARABS (who I hope come to infest YOUR neighbourhood) ..Iraquis of all stripes, and see if YOU don't get trigger-happy. Frankly, I'm surprised there isn't more such edginess! GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys, so you can go home to your mothers in one piece (and I DON'T often make pro-U.S. statements like THAT!)
Because what happened here is *not* indicative of the actions, behavior and mindset of the Corps. I have five friends who are Marines, and *none* of them would do such a thing, or abet its occurence.
GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys, so you can go home to your mothers in one piece At whatever cost, right aplmac?
by aya on Wed May 31, 06 4:06pm
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Er... can someone remind me why Americans are in Iraq in the first place?
I never trusted them from the start. From the Korean war, to Vietnam, to Panama, to the first Iraq invasion, the US army has done nothing but slaughter the inhabitants of those lands whether they were or weren't involved in the war. No one's stupid, well except aplmac. "GO U.S.ARMY - do whatever's necessary to survive,guys, so you can go home to your mothers in one piece" Perhaps if they hadn't went there in the first place they wouldn't need to do "whatevers neccessary to survive"? Ever think about that smartass?
aplmac- it wasn't self-defense AND it wasn't accidently shooting civillians (including children). It was intentional. It is not even about civillians caught in a cross-fire, but about an intentional targeting of them. Your argument does not hold any connection.
You need to see both sides of this story and make an unbiased and well educated conclusion about what happened. The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that. That being said, however, the cover up is quite alarming, but wow, name ANY PART of ANY SEGMENT of the our nation that doesn't try to cover up it's transgressions rather than rectify thru admission of guilt and restitution. The US Government, our financial sectors, our churches, the ACLU, the NAACP, there isn't one of them that is innocent in that respect, and it's perpetuated by our fraudulent judicial system, where the best defense is the best lie,not the truth. However, this doesn't make what happened right. If in fact it turns out that these Marines did indeed shoot these Iraqi people unprovoked, then there is g
Aya, sweetie, have you ever shot a gun? Ever shot a dog? a cat? No? I didn't think so. Your idea of a tough Toronto morning is a rough subway ride, followed by Loblaw's fulla tourists! awww.. Oh you're SO young..
Aya, I need your postal address, honey! I'm sending you a free 2 year subscription to Soldier Of Fortune magazine, to help toughen you up to the realities of what goes on in the REAL world, outside of northern North America.
Your idea of a tough Toronto morning is a rough subway ride, followed by Loblaw's fulla tourists! awww.. Hay Loblaws is tough man! One day I had 13 items and checked out at the 12 items or less queue and it was hell let ,me tell ya.
"The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that." Jappy, we expect terrorists to do this. We don't expect (or some people don't) the US army to do it so we give it attention. Not that either are right, it's just that it's not news when a terrorist does it. It is news when we hear things like this. "Ever shot a dog? a cat? No? I didn't think so." Oh wow, she hasn't shot an innocent animal so she's automatically wrong on the issue? She hasn't shot at kittens so somehow according to your twisted views that makes her less of a person? Get help you sick freak. "Soldier Of Fortune magazine, to help toughen you up to the realities of what goes on in the REAL world" Oh yeah, that'll help her! Send her a 2 year subscription of a magazine that men who are insecure about their sexuality read, that'll work.
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The insurgents have again and again used civilians as shields and in those situations, sorry to say, civilians get killed, yet you won't find a single cranky ballot addressing the insurgents doing that." Jappy, we expect terrorists to do this. We don't expect (or some people don't) the US army to do it so we give it attention. Not that either are right, it's just that it's not news when a terrorist does it. It is news when we hear things like this. --- But the issue I'm addressing with that is there may be something more to this that we haven't heard yet, if the insurgents were hiding in the house, or what. It's troubling to say the least, because it appears they were systematically eliminated and then they lied about it, but appearances can be deceiving. I'm going to wait to see how this plays out. What is frustrating is that there are hundreds of thousands of other service members who are doing a wonderful job and you get retards who question US because of what such a tiny percentage, the bad seeds, are doing.
It hasn't been fully investigated and we will probably never really know what went down. Either way the story alone makes the US look bad. "What is frustrating is that there are hundreds of thousands of other service members who are doing a wonderful job and you get retards who question US because of what such a tiny percentage, the bad seeds, are doing." It happens all the time. The use of generalization is an overused human trait. It happened with the Arabs right after 9-11 and not it's happening to the US during the Iraq war. It's not directed at anyone specifically, it's just that the media has it's way of spinning things and overexaggurating.
HANFORD, Calif. Jun 4, 2006 (AP)— A Marine who followed orders to photograph corpses of Iraqis allegedly slain by members of his unit last fall claims post-traumatic stress drove him to commit felonies while on leave, his mother said. Lance Cpl. Roel Ryan Briones, 21, is accused of stealing a truck and crashing it into a house in Hanford in April. He was charged Friday with felony auto theft, hit-and-run and drunken driving, according to Kings County District Attorney Ronald Calhoun. Briones' mother, Susie, told The Fresno Bee this week that her son hit his breaking point during the April incident. His best friend was killed Nov. 19, the day of the attack in the western Iraqi city of Haditha, and he was still grieving when he was sent in to clean up the bodies of the Iraqi civilians. Susie Briones said her son told her he saw the bodies of 23 dead Iraqis that day. Twenty-four were slain. U.S. authorities have launched two investigations one into the deadly encounter itself and another into whether it was the subject of a cover-up. Ryan Briones is seeing a psychologist in San Diego to help deal with the stress, and military officials are aware of his deteriorating mental health, his mother said. Calhoun said he was aware of Briones' situation, adding that the Marine has agreed to be evaluated by a psychiatrist to determine whether he has post-traumatic stress and whether it played a role in the alleged crime.
"Er... can someone remind me why Americans are in Iraq in the first place?" Listen up. The economic, technological and health-related situation of the US is so bad that the US govt. had to redirect the attention of its citizens to an international war, during which Bush could shout "Hey, people, I'm the War President!"
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