WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HELD, WITHOUT CHARGE OR CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD, AND TORTURED AND ABUSED, FOR 4 YEARS, DECIDE TO COMMIT SUICIDE?

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WHY WOULD SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HELD, WITHOUT CHARGE OR CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD, AND TORTURED AND ABUSED, FOR 4 YEARS, DECIDE TO COMMIT SUICIDE?


[+] serious ballot by cranky
ACTIVE Mon Jun 12, 06 - Sat Mar 07, 09

From the BBC:

Guantanamo suicides 'acts of war'

The suicides of three detainees at the US base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, amount to acts of war, the US military says.

The camp commander said the two Saudis and a Yemeni were "committed" and had killed themselves in "an act of asymmetric warfare waged against us".

Lawyers said the men who hanged themselves had been driven by despair.

A military investigation into the deaths is now under way, amid growing calls for the detention centre to be moved or closed.

Walter White, an international lawyer who specialises in human rights, told the BBC the Guantanamo camp was likely to be considered a "great stain" on the human rights record of the US.

There have been dozens of suicide attempts since the camp was set up four years ago - but none successful until now.

The men were found unresponsive and not breathing by guards on Saturday morning, said officials.

They were in separate cells in Camp One, the highest security section of the prison.

They hanged themselves with clothing and bed sheets, camp commander Rear Adm Harry Harris said.

He said medical teams had tried to revive the men, but all three were pronounced dead.

Rear Adm Harris said he did not believe the men had killed themselves out of despair.

"They are smart. They are creative, they are committed," he said.

"They have no regard for life, either ours or their own. I believe this was not an act of desperation, but an act of asymmetrical warfare waged against us."

All three men had previously taken part in some of the mass on-and-off hunger strikes undertaken by detainees since last August, and all three had been force-fed by camp authorities.

UK Constitutional Affairs Minister Harriet Harman told the BBC on Sunday the camp should be moved to the US or shut down.

"If it's perfectly legal and there's nothing going wrong there - well, why don't they have it in America and then the American court system can supervise it?" she said.

Ken Roth, head of Human Rights Watch in New York, told the BBC the men had probably been driven by despair.

"These people are despairing because they are being held lawlessly," he said.

"There's no end in sight. They're not being brought before any independent judges. They're not being charged and convicted for any crime."

On Friday, Mr Bush said he would "like to end Guantanamo", adding he believed the inmates "ought to be tried in courts here in the United States".

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So, what do you think the suicides were, vicious, aggressive, acts of war by ultra-conservative, bloodthirsty terrorists against a defenseless U.S. or acts of despair from being tortured and abused for four years, without any end in sight?

Act of war
Act of despair

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COMMENTS:
It is ridiculous to make the claim it was an act of war. How many of these people have been found guilty of actually doing anything? It was also claimed that it was a PR stunt by some mad american bitch (i dont know who but i heard it)

If americans were held in captivity without due process and some commited suicide. how would americans feel if they were told it was an act of war? Or better still a PR exercise.

How can americans claim they have no regard for life when its apparently the other way about!!!
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Jun 12, 06 9:00am [+]

Oh sure. A bunch of people from a radical cult of Islam who commit suicide bombings at the drop of a hat aren't capable of doing such a thing.

Where is your evidence of torture? You assume everyone there is being tortured. Where is your proof?
by FiddleFaddleOnLSD on Mon Jun 12, 06 9:46am [+]

sad
by mojo on Mon Jun 12, 06 9:46am [+]

Those bastards! This is the last straw. Those hideous coward terrorists must be stopped by us, not themselves.
by elvislennon on Mon Jun 12, 06 9:48am [+]

you can't get to those 75 virgins in heaven sitting in prison...
by Soldier_79 on Mon Jun 12, 06 10:12am [+]

Fiddlezog:

This is what the U.S. admits to:

"Torture Lite

The USA, like Britain, has ratified the UN Convention Against Torture, prohibiting it from inflicting ‘severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental’. In response, the Bush government has developed an arsenal of ‘stressful’ methods which, they claim, do not qualify as torture.

Prisoners held in Guantanamo Bay and elsewhere report being ordered to stand motionless for hours at a time; being subjected to ‘environmental manipulation’ (extremes of heat and cold); being bombarded with bright lights and loud music ranging from heavy metal to Barney the Dinosaur; and having their sleep patterns ‘adjusted’ by frequent interruptions. In a treatment labelled ‘pride and ego down’, detainees are insulted and denigrated, with racial and religious abuse commonplace. Many report being paraded naked in front of others – a particularly humiliating experience for devout muslims. The goal is to break the detainees by inducing shame and despair."

"A US Army report... notes that, since 2001, there have been five cases around the world of ‘detainee deaths as a result of abuse by US personnel’." (Channel 4)

"Many detainees at Guantánamo Bay were regularly subjected to harsh and coercive treatment, several people who worked in the prison said in recent interviews, despite longstanding assertions by military officials that such treatment had not occurred except in some isolated cases.

The people, military guards, intelligence agents and others, described in interviews with The New York Times a range of procedures that included treatment they said was highly abusive occurring over a long period of time, as well as rewards for prisoners who cooperated with interrogators.

One regular procedure that was described by people who worked at Camp Delta, the main prison facility at the naval base in Cuba, was making uncooperative prisoners strip to their underwear, having them sit in a chair while shackled hand and foot to a bolt in the floor, and forcing them to endure strobe lights and screamingly loud rock and rap music played through two close loudspeakers, while the air-conditioning was turned up to maximum levels, said one military official who witnessed the procedure. The official said that was intended to make the detainees uncomfortable, as they were accustomed to high temperatures both in their native countries and their cells.

Such sessions could last up to 14 hours with breaks, said the official, who described the treatment after being contacted by The Times."

"The people who worked at the prison also described as common another procedure in which an inmate was awakened, subjected to an interrogation in a facility known as the Gold Building, then returned to a different cell. As soon as the guards determined the inmate had fallen into a deep sleep, he was awakened again for interrogation after which he would be returned to yet a different cell. This could happen five or six times during a night, they said." (New York Times}

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And since they have kept the facility closed to international inspectors, as well as the multiple secret prisons where kidnapped individuals are taken for "interrogation," any reasonable person could assume that what goes on there is much, much worse.
by cranky on Mon Jun 12, 06 11:25am [+]

Isn't it strange that when Iran wont let weapons inspectors in then they are clearly hiding something and yet when america locks people up and wont let inspectors in its totaly innocent.

Should we send a force in kill the guards and half the prisoners and then make some excuse about it being about an evil prison warder.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Jun 12, 06 11:44am [+]

And they *keep* asking *why*...
by Truthseeker013 on Mon Jun 12, 06 1:52pm [+]

Of course it was an act of despair. If they wanted to commit suicide as an 'act of war' why would they have taken four years to do so. This camp is definately a shameful and illegal act on the part of the United States.
by xhiker on Mon Jun 12, 06 2:58pm [+]






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