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ABRAHAM LINCOLN WANTED TO SEND THE SLAVES BACK TO AFRICA AFTER THEY HAD BEEN EMANCIPATED.


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Lincoln did not want them to remain in the USA. He was met with enormous opposition from other abolitionists and so he recanted. This surprised me because I had no idea that he thought like this. THIS IS MY QUESTION: What do you think life would have been like if Black people had not been allowed to remain in the USA and so did not become a big part of the American culture?

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Definitely not as diverse.
Fiddy cent wouldn't be driving a Bentley on 25" Chromes right now, thats for sure
America would have noone to blame for all the crimes.
Im not going to get to involved in this one, Ive learnt the hard way that the majority of people on this site cant have a sensible debate concerning racial matters and "what ifs".

So Ill just say there would be both positive and negatives in the instance you describe.

I wonder, would all the people who say he's really a liberal-democrat and take credit for their party freeing the slaves now recant and give him back to the republicans?

Or perhaps they'll try to sell the claim that he was a liberal when he freed them but a conservative when he sent them back?

I think the fair thing to do would have been to offer to send any back if they did not want to remain here. It would certainly make sense that many wouldn't, but they shouldn't be forced out.

Similiar to the jews of europe after 1945. They're free to stay, but they can also get the hell out if they'd prefer (not that slavery was anywhere near as bad as the holocaust).

How many generations were there of slavery and how many died in the bowels of the ships or later killed like animals? The Holocaust was a terrible, horrible thing, not trying minimize that, but to say slavery was not anywhere near as bad, I have a problem with that statement.
^ they didn't starve, work, beat and gas 12 million blacks to death.
Slaves were valuable property, you didn't want to damage them such that they were of no value to you.

Jews, gypsies and the rest were a problem to be exterminated.

Obviously slavery doesn't compare.

Nice apologia, herzog. rolleyes

One can almost always find 'something worse' than any given event. But the only purpose in such a feckless excercise is an attempt to trivialize the problems of the first event.

Do you ever feel the need to shower after certain posts?

I do, after reading some.

Jesus tap-dancing christ cath, read the ballot comment that spawned that little exchange before commenting. I wasn't excusing slavery.

But of course that doesn't matter. You're to the point of just taking any comment of mine out of context and attacking me for that, or when failing to find such a comment you just make up a comment you think I would have made under a particular set of circumstances and attack that instead.

Either read the entire exchange between owar and myself before commenting or fuck off.

After reading the smears of Baby Karl Rove, I'm guessing that many B&W users also feel the need to take a shower.

IC_lmao

"Jesus tap-dancing christ"

I've never heard that expression, ever.

I've also never heard of Lincoln referred to as a liberal democrat, just a republican. And from what I learned, he wasn't so great; he didn't free the slaves for any alturistic motive, just simply to cripple the economy of the south.
by aya [+]

America would have noone to blame for all the crimes.
by mobsie666 on Jun 14, 2006 6:10am

^ so now you're an expert on the statistical analysis of who is commiting crimes in the united states? how do you find the time to tend to your own personal and national interests, when you spend so much time focused on us? hey, you should come work for and in the usa as like our national "know-it-all." sort of like an all-knowing oracle. could be cool, right?

Slaves were valuable property, you didn't want to damage them such that they were of no value to you by herzog on Jun 14, 2006 6:56am

As long as they did what they were told and were physically able to work.

Not only did Lincoln advocate sending American slaves back to Africa (and actually did so in part -- where these slaves founded Liberia), but his much balleyhooed Emancipation Proclamation was not a liberal document. It was intended to create a slave rebellion in the Confederate States. The Emancipation Proclamation freed only the NORTHERN slaves.

So much for the great liberator, eh?

" they didn't starve, work, beat and gas 12 million blacks to death.
by herzog "

If you take the word gas out of that statement then it would be about slavery. There was little consideration paid to slaves as they were easy to replace.

Notice how you didnt add homosexuals to your list of problems. why is that herzog? Your friendships compromising your usual lack of concern?

"so now you're an expert on the statistical analysis of who is commiting crimes in the united states? how do you find the time to tend to your own personal and national interests, when you spend so much time focused on us? hey, you should come work for and in the usa as like our national "know-it-all." sort of like an all-knowing oracle. could be cool, right?
by Kev24 "

What are you on kev?

you can ask me that, but the question i pose to you is -- what are you not on?
Notice how you didnt add homosexuals to your list of problems. why is that herzog? Your friendships compromising your usual lack of concern?
by mobsie666 on Jun 14, 2006 11:50am

^^ see, this is why you're an obnoxious jerk. well, this is just one more example of why -- i don't have time to list them all, as there are so, so many.





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