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ISN'T IT ODD HOW THE ACLU DIDN'T PICK UP ON THIS PRISONER ABUSE SCANDAL?

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ISN'T IT ODD HOW THE ACLU DIDN'T PICK UP ON THIS PRISONER ABUSE SCANDAL?


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created Sun Jun 18, 06

Shackles removed from confined Marines, sailor

By Gidget Fuentes
Times staff writer

OCEANSIDE, Calif. — Military officials on Friday said they have decided to remove shackles put on seven confined Marines and one sailor whenever they’re outside their individual cells at the Camp Pendleton brig, a Marine Corps spokesman said.

The eight men, confined at the brig since May 24, were being held with “maximum” restraints based on their battalion commander’s decision following an initial investigation into the shooting. As of Friday, they were shifted into what’s called “medium-in” restraint in pre-trial custody, which does not require shackles to be worn, although they remain escorted anytime they are outside their cell, according to 2nd Lt. Lawton King, a base spokesman.

Under “medium-in,” they won’t have any personal restraint while inside the brig, but once outside – such as to go to a court hearing – each “is restrained with handcuffs attached to a leather belt … and their respective escorts carry along leg cuffs in the event they are needed,” King said.

The decision to lower the restraint level came after a June 15 review by the brig commander, he said.

The seven Marines and Navy corpsman, all members of the Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 5th Marines currently deployed in Iraq, were first confined to quarters in Iraq on May 12 after allegations rose over the April 26 death of an Iraqi man in the village of Hamdaniya.

Families and defense attorneys representing three of the men had been complaining publicly and to base officials about the confinement measures that were imposed. The brig houses Marines and sailors who are awaiting court hearings or courts-martial as well as those convicted and serving a sentence.

Each of the men are in an 8-foot by 9-foot cells, alone, in a section called “special quarters,” where they receive their meals. Each gets one hour a day to spend at an enclosed outdoor courtyard, where they could exercise if they want, and they can meet with their attorneys in a small private room and with family members in a visitors’ room during weekend and holiday visiting hours.

Jeremiah Sullivan III, a San Diego attorney representing the sailor, a 20-year-old third-class hospital corpsman, has likened the conditions to worst than what convicted felons at the federal “Supermax” prison must endure.

David M. Brahms, a retired brigadier general and attorney in Carlsbad, Calif., who’s met with many of the families, is representing a 21-year-old lance corporal.

The men are “shafted and shackled in the worst conditions being imposed,” Brahms said June 14. “Saddam has a better circumstance than these guys.”

The eight men will remain in special quarters in individual cells, said Maj. Jeffrey Nyhart another base spokesman. Base officials say the brig, which is a Level II confinement facility, does not have “solitary confinement,” unlike prisons including Fort Leavenworth.

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So they're held in tiny cells where they were shackled at all times (until just very recently), for the possibility of committing a crime.

Sounds like worse than anything happening in gitmo (or at least on par to what people are complaining about).

And yet the ACLU, and all other human rights agencies were silent on this.

Why?

They don't believe american soldiers deserve any rights
They only involve themselves in cases concerning minorities or enemies of the US
They would have, but you know, they were like busy and stuff
They be be unware of the case
Damned if I know!
UCMJ jurisdiction


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Because a show of support for US servicemen would prove that they are not all evil butchers. This does not suit their agenda. I don't support the war, but still respect personnel in Iraq; not everyone feels the same way
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Jun 18, 06 9:59am [+]

A conspiracy?
by MO_ on Sun Jun 18, 06 10:00am [+]

Perhaps they were unaware of the treatment the prisoners, you could always contact them and make them aware of it.

As to your assertion of them being on a par with prisoners at gitmo, one difference strikes me right away... they have ;egal representatiopn and they have been charged with a crime.

Two things the gitmo detainess have not had the right to.

I am surprised that you would want to come to the defence of these soldiers , given your personal stance about serving in the forces.
by Steelhamster on Sun Jun 18, 06 12:33pm [+]

"Sounds like worse than anything happening in gitmo (sic) (or at least on par to what people are complaining about)."

Nonsense.

Those individuaals haven't been held for over four years, without charges and without legal representation.

And they're not being tortured.

No comparison.

MAG_afro
by cranky on Sun Jun 18, 06 12:55pm [+]

But thos emen are Marines, subject to the UCMJ for conduct unbecoming. I'm surprised that they let them out without the shackles. This is old news, in a sense.
by Truthseeker013 on Sun Jun 18, 06 1:13pm [+]

^ Yes.
by xxxxxxxx on Sun Jun 18, 06 3:37pm [+]

Zig: do you honestly think that would stop them? According to the geneva convention the people picked up in afghanistan have absolutely no legally defined rights, and somehow the ACLU manages to defend them.

And from what I can see the military was going above and beyond what was necessary to restrain these guys, which is why they ultimately relented and reduced their security procedures.

And as I recall, these people aren't guilty, not yet anyway.
by herzog on Sun Jun 18, 06 10:10pm [+]

As far as I know, herz, all US military detainees are under the sole jurisdiction of the UCMJ, as dictated by the Chain of Command.

It may seem harsh, but military justice was always harsh, and in this case the ACLU have no redress, nor do said detainees - innocent or guilty.
by xxxxxxxx on Mon Jun 19, 06 12:03am [+]






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