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ARE ISLAMIC PEOPLE ENGAGED IN MORE CONFLICTS THAN ANY OTHER CIVILISATION?

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ARE ISLAMIC PEOPLE ENGAGED IN MORE CONFLICTS THAN ANY OTHER CIVILISATION?


[+] serious ballot by xxxxxxxx
created Wed Jul 19, 06

Yes, I think so
No, I don't think so


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COMMENTS:
It would seem so. Statistically it seems true, at least in recent history.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:15am [+]

I'll provide source focusing on the early 90's...
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:41am [+]

Do you mean across the world or just in the Middle East region?
by patch22us on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:45am [+]

According to an analysis, twenty-six out of fifty ethnopolitical conflicts in 1993-1994 involved Muslims as participants. 20 of these were conflicts between different civilisations of which fifteen were between Muslims and non-Muslims. There were three times as many intercivilisational conflicts involving Muslims as there were conflicts between all non-Muslim civilisations. The conflicts within the Islamic world wre also more numerous than internal conflicts within other civilisations, including tribal conflicts in Africa.

(Source: Gurr, Ted Robert, "Peoples Against the States: ethnopolitical Conflict and the Changing World System", 'International Studies Quarterly', Vol.38 (September 1994), pp.347-378.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:50am [+]

patch22us- the entire Islamic world.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:51am [+]

Source 2: The New York Times identified 59 ethnic conflicts during 1993. In half of these cases Muslims were clashing with non-Muslims. Of conflicts between groups of the same civilisations, two-thirds were conflicts between Muslims.

Source: New York Times, 07/02/93, pp.1-14
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:56am [+]

Wow. If I were a Muslim, I'd start a conflict with you over this :) Well it certainly looks they enjoy a good Jihad now and then. Not good.
by patch22us on Wed Jul 19, 06 9:57am [+]

Source 3: Ruth Leger Sivard identified twenty-nine wars with that involved more than 1000 deaths that were underway in 1992. 9/12 conflicts between civilisations were between the Islamic world and the others. Once again, it is documented that there was more fighting within the Islamic world between each other, than that of other civilisations.

Source: Sivard, Ruth Leger, 'World Military and Social Expenditures 1993', Washington DC, World Proprities Inc., 1993.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 10:01am [+]

yes, certainly Islam could use some change.
by aya on Wed Jul 19, 06 10:38am [+]

right now, yes. but all religions have been used some time to justify mass killing.
Welcome to the Holy War y'all!
by Jyl on Wed Jul 19, 06 11:22am [+]

Yes right now Islamic people seem to be engaging in more conflicts then any other religious groups.Currently there are 11 conflicts that involve Mulsims waring with non-Muslims.
by Corrupt on Wed Jul 19, 06 2:32pm [+]

Right now, there are a lot of good Catholic folks in South and Central America who are shooting at each other.
by Truthseeker013 on Wed Jul 19, 06 3:52pm [+]

Socrates, I think that the appearence of this is because certain parties have steered our perceptions thusly, made us look harder at the actions of a few.
by Truthseeker013 on Wed Jul 19, 06 3:53pm [+]

Truthseeker013- But the statistics seem to indicate so. I have provided 3 very different sources indicating the same thing in each for the early 90's.

I think it is more than perception. Besides which, I don't know if what you describe of Latin America would technically constitute as being 'wars' or ethnic conflicts.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 11:14pm [+]

I really don't understand how 52% of people can vote 'no, I don't think so' and then provide no critique of the THREE sources I provided.

And to the above users who looked at my statistic and assumed that this all means that there is something wrong with Islam because of this are assuming too much. Correlation does not necessarily equate to causation. It could merely be that Muslims are larger in number, are very widely spread out, and are in areas that are coincidently authoritarian and are experiencing slow living standard development.

But really, I do not see how 52% can possibly vote 'no, I don't think so' and then not offer a critique of the 3 sources I provided. THis site has way too much political correctness to function. This ballot was not even implying that Islam is the cause of conflicts, but merely asking a basic question of correlation.
by xxxxxxxx on Wed Jul 19, 06 11:22pm [+]

Clearly
by Noblese_Oblige on Thu Jul 20, 06 1:04am [+]

Next ballot question: Since 2003, has the United States been responsible for more war deaths than any other nation?
by cranky on Thu Jul 20, 06 6:17am [+]

My answer to this ballot question is yes, not because I "think so" but because I know so.
by RockinInTheFreeWorld on Thu Jul 20, 06 10:08am [+]

cranky- making some kind of comparison to the USA and 'responsibility of deaths' is not appropriate.

Why? This ballot was merely asking a question of whether Islamic people were 'engaged in more conflicts' than others. 'Engaged in conflict' does not necessarily suggest that it was the Islamic people being the aggressors. In some cases, especially for the time period my three sources suggested, it was Muslim people who were being persecuted.
by xxxxxxxx on Thu Jul 20, 06 11:05pm [+]

I learnt two things from this ballot:

1) There are many people who will ignore statistics most likely out of political correctness. They also did not bother to back their opinions with any intellectual kind of argument or to dispute the sources provided.

2) Then there are the ones who look at statistics and then start jumping to all kinds of conclusions. Firstly, some immediately suggested that there must be something wrong with Islam because of these statistics. This of course ignores the facts that a) Islam is not necessarily the cause of all of the coflicts involving Muslims and b) In a lot of these conflicts it is the Muslims that are being persecuted (eg, Serbia's aggression against Muslims).

by xxxxxxxx on Thu Jul 20, 06 11:12pm [+]

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