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Mankind has worshipped literally thousands of gods over the centuries. These gods all have one thing in common. There's not a shred of real, objective evidence for any of them.
Congratulations, 4d5bf! You are the 100 millionth Christian to invoke Pascal's Wager. Here's Johnny to tell you what you've won. :-)
If god didnt exist, man would have to invent him.
To the Pascal's Wager fellow: What makes you assume god is such an ass that one's belief or disbelief in such an entity would have any implication on that person's afterlife, if such a thing exists? In other words, is this god entity so feeble-minded and lacking in confidence that it must punish those who didn't believe in its existence during life by eternal damnation or some other horrible torture? I find this particularly odd considering that this entity is essentially an absentee landlord who doesn't seem to come around a whole lot if it does exist. Seems it is the one who is falling down on the job.
I side with Paine: Can't prove it anyways, so, it's then a matter of one's faith.
The universe didn't create itself.
I don't understand why some people equate religion with christianity. Fair enough, you want to be on the safe side and believe just in case God excists. But surely you should practise every religion, not just one. Almost all major religions say they are the only way to achieve salvation, and all other religions are false. Why do you practise christianity 'just in case', when Islam may be the one true faith. The arguments, or evidence for, Christianity are no stronger than for any other religion.
God always existed and is the only thing that always existed and was never created. This is a question whose answer our small brains would not be able to comprehend. The closest we can come is to say that he exists outside of time which he created in a small area of his mind we live in.
whoever doesnt believe in god sux. you retards god is real and if you don't think so how the hell do you think we came into this world.oooh let me guess some of you freaks are gonna say monkeys? who invented monkeys? GOD DID!! he does exist and if u dont believe it then i hope god craps on you
jews are gods
lol yea right. jews are not gods they are crap
How many different ballots are you going to use that quote for God_exists? You must realize that matter is just a condensed form of energy. Everything consists of strings of energy that "vibrate" at different rates. There's nothing supernatual about that at all and that is definately not proof that god or any other supernatural being exists.
what's that 4 queistion? of course he exist
Yes, I think he is right. But if you believe god exists, then where did he come from? There is nothing special about the forming of the universe, just like there is nothing special about human kind. We are just a mistake, nothing more and nothing less. When humans finally developed enough intelligence to realize this, they could not accept it. Just like you can't exept it. That is where the idea of god was born. An all-powerfull being that gives meaning to a meaningless existence. Face facts and reality, we are a disease to this world with no purpose.
So what you're saying is the truth is dangerous to civilized society. So maybe that is why religion is so popular. It all makes sense now.
The stupid are already convinced that God exists.
Einstein was convinced God exists. Is he stupid, Biggus_Dickus?
Believe what you like also Religion_is_not_God. I have no problem living out my existance. If I am here, even if only for a short time, I might as well enjoy myself. Just because we are here, though, does not mean we were meant to be here. I stepped in a pile of dog shit the other day, I guess I was meant to do that too.
All of you Atheist Jews will burn in the lake of fire with YOUR father the devil
HAPPY FACE HERE,well,let me give you a long boring comment...ok you all know that god is everywhere,right?well,whene you ask god for help,60% he wont,40% w/out help needed,Im not saying he aint real,is that if there is a god,why isnt there peace,magic,santa,ect.
god had to be created, because everyone in this game has a creator. I cannot tell i who created the creator, just as i cannot tell u who the creator is. Everything in the game depends on a creator, multiple creators, createe, multiple createes.
What is more likely?
God created the universe.
or
Nothing created the universe, it just appeared.
Pride comes before a fall.
Think about this Christians: This is to all those morons who say it's better to pretend to believe in case there is a God: that's hypocritical! Are we to believe that this God is so stupid, it won't know you're being a hypocrite and thus send you to hell? He's all-knowing right?
Anyway, there is not a shred of scientific evidence there exists a God. So the real question isn't whether there's a God, but why in the *uck do we even ask the question???? Of course, the answer is stupidity and gullibility, two ever-increasing American traits. How embarassing it is for me, as an American, to see statistics stating that 86% of Americans believe in a God. In most of Europe, northern Europe, far less people believe in a God. Generally speaking, the better-educated are less likely to believe in a God.
In one way it is so much easier to be an atheist after reading stuff like.."God is. The Supreme Being,Power, Spirit, Father, or any other name or form of a Higher Power covers all of humanity--and all true religious or spiritual faiths; only humankinds selfish interpretations of our Higher Power causes rifts in spirituallity and faith-exclusive, solitary connections to God" by anonymous (all one rambling long sentence!). In another way it takes guts to be an atheist, you're on your own, you have to justify your own life because there is no god there at the end to sort things out for you. I dunno... I think I'm gonna believe there in Karl the 15 foot paragliding salamander because "...No one has proved he doesn't exist. Personal experience proves to me he does."
by Jus on Dec 29, 2003
Yeah I'm with you brother. One problem though, heaven is crap. All the best people go to hell... bring it on
Me and Karl used to paraglide together before he was dried for our tins. sniff.
Thankfully for me I have had a mystical experience and I don't have to believe anything. It was not a hallucination or my imagination but a profound spiritual realisation. Nobody can use any words or persuasion to convince me that is was something that it was not. It was real and I know what it was. Proud Atheist seems to think I am gullible. That is fine.
By the way. Why choose a name like Proud Atheist? It seems you have taken it just to bash people with religious or spiritual convictions.
God does exist. If you have not realised it then maybe the story of your life is to be ignorant. To be in sure and certain hope of oblivion. Well. Happy rotting away to dust for eternity guys. Discussing this with you all has been depressing but has convinced me that I am right about my convictions. Thank-you.
Well done borris. Took you two attempts and you still didn't quite nail it.
i carnt spell, if you feel that God is with you and you have had deep experiences with him, good for you. I'm not trying to take that away from you. I have had weird experiences too but nothing that can't be explained by the workings the human mind. I have just never been able to make a 'leap of faith'. I don't think believing in a god would make things any clearer for me. I'm not even convinced that there ISN'T a creator, but there definately isn't a heavenly father up there nurturing his flock. If there is he better get some glasses.
Someone's out to get me
gods name is.....GWB THK YOU
Yes, God exist...
Wow, your uses of the English language is more scary than...hmmmmm, I don't know, I have never seen anything like your deficient grammatical/sentence formation ever before..and your nickname, "stupid_god_stupid is just as scary and an indication that you are an expert of what encompass "Stupidity" because the word, "stupid" is one of few words you spelled correctly...I give you an "A+" for your correct spelling of the word and an "F" for the context of your commentary...I am sure you are proud of both grades given...God Bless and God Help you...
Hey, its eJACKula here, just cheking up on my ballot. I guess the only conclusion I can draw so far is that there are idiots and intelligent people on both sides of the argument. It's a very common missconception that everybody who disagrees with you must be retarded not to see the world from your point of view. As an athiest it still amazes me how perfectly reasonable and intelligent people can put their faith in a system for which I can see no evidence, but I've learned to accept it. I'd like to think that less people would believe in God if the world was a more intelligent place, but I doubt that would be the case. It is the ignorant people on both sides of this argument that cause hatred because they cannot see the other point of view. Having faith, whether in the existance or non-existance of God, is fine as long as you are prepared to question it sometimes and see the world in a rational way. I guess we all need to become more intelligent in order to accept each others differences.
I believe in a higher being. Dont believe in any organized religion
if he does why does my life suck so much!!!
how do you know it all isn't a bunch of fairy tales? And don't say it's in the bible; the bible is a book of stories written by people.
I hope so, but probabl no...
BONG!
HOW WOULD WE KNOW IF GOD EXISTS ANYWAYS? That's why I'm agnostic; I don't go around pretending to know if there's a god or not.
Well, you know, that's what's sending you to Hell. If we knew God existed, we wouldn't have faith. We would just know and everybody would be going to Heaven no matter what the hell they did. And I can provide anybody with WAY too much evidence that God does exist. And what is the deal with not believing anyway? Is it not "cool"? If God doesn't exist than I'm turning back into slime or whatever you people believe when I die. If he does, you guys are screwed and I'm gonna laugh. So even if he doesn't exist, don't you just wanna believe just incase? Damn dude.
God is Santa for grownups. It's not only intuitively obvious, it's empirically obvious.
I believe there is some sort of creator, however I dont but the Christian God theory just yet. Just as Anonymous put it three or four paragrapghs above this one, "you should believe just in case" is the reason we have all these half-assed believers in the first place, peopleare scared not to believe. In other words, the people who started this religion have accomplished their goal, the scared you into believing.
Believing in God is just silly. It's a childish compulsion for the sort of safety and nurturing one recieved from their parents when their two years old. It's a refusal to grow up. The rest of us grow up, get jobs, and have come to terms with the fact that the universe is a random entity which doesn't follow human wishes and longings. Bad things happen, good things happen. Ergo, shit happens. Only the simple can argue complexity of nature for evidence of a creator. Why does anything have to be created? Who created rocks? Who created cancer? It's all silly.
IF you were invisible people would have trouble believing in you, too..!! . "GOD" or the equivalent thereof exists or does not exist regardless of what anyone "believes" or does not believe..!! The reality is whatever the reality happens to be .
I find it illogical to be required to "believe" any particular thing.. Belief is not knowledge, though strongly held belief often Feels like knowledge..!! A "natural" explanation for everything seems to fit.. except perhaps for the existence of lifeforms..? The Invisible Intelligence "automatically" "created" the many lifeforms.. for artistic reasons, for interest, for entertainment, for a great experiment, for the sheer joy of it..!? Invisible Intelligence does not 'judge' you or 'punish' you, for you are basically programmed to be and do just as you are, a worthy human being..!! It does really make sense to be nice and good and intelligent and kind and caring and to improve all things to the greatest extent possible, fellow human beings..!!
The bible is the most amusing fiction out.
Jesus is the tangible proof of God. If you don't believe in the bible, do an extensive research about this Jesus who was born in Bethlehem, Israel. He's all over the libraries showing historical facts. Prove to yourself that Jesus is not the Son Of God, but if you can't...YOU BETTER BELIEVE!
stranger7800,
You are a fool. No one would disagree that references to Jesus can be found in historical texts. My question to you is how does this make him the son of God? A lot of people are referenced in historical texts. In fact, many of them claimed divine powers. Sorry pal, just because Jesus is mentioned in the Bible doesn't make it all true. You'll have to do better than that.
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To guest 2a53e: I know exactly who wrote the Bible. Too bad you don't kuz you never read the thing.
"The Bible was written by many credible individuals. Therefore it is true."
Are you shittin' me? What a riot! lol There were crazies and religious "MYSTICS" in much greater quantity than now. Here's food for thought: "Demonic possession" is most frequently reported among Catholics. The Japanese, on the other hand, suffer "possession by foxes" instead. Culturally biased, depending on what you've grown up believing in. Proof that you can delude yourself into thinking any crazy thing that coincides with your belief system.
BY THE WAY, TELLING an ATHEIST THAT HE'S "GOING TO HELL" IS NO MORE EFFECTIVE THAN TELLING A GROWN MAN THAT "IF HE'S BAD, SANTA WON'T BRING HIM ANY PRESENTS". LOL
Look, you Christians can go on all day with your circular arguments and blind faith, offering proof which is really opinion, all day long! But it will still be obvious to everyone here with an I.Q. over 120 that you make no sense and are pretty stupid. Did you know that dogmatism correlates negatively with I.Q.? (A Question Of Intelligence - read it.) Well I don't suppose any of you Christians would understand what that meant anyways.
You people are constantly bringing up the concept of time. The universe has to have been created at one point does it? By whose perspective of time? Ours? yougive too much credit to our understanding of the universe. Time is relative.
Secondly, to all you 'just in case' followers. If your god was so omnipotent, would they be fooled by your supposed faith. What kind of faith is that anyway.
any one who's audaciuos to the extent of saying God does not exist,ask him/her for the proof.
i believe in my lord jesus christ,the one that is and is to come,the iam that i am,the lord of lordss and king of kingss.you can still turn and depend on him and he will do u good as he is doing me good
To Jannine: I am Christian and have an iq of 130. Shows what de shit u know
I'm a Christian with an I.Q. of 128. I'm also the only asian Christian in my area, but anyway Kendrijk you don't have to make fun of someone just because they don't have the slightest clue why we KNOW he exists. And shut the hell up just because you have a higher I.Q. don't make you smarter than me, well it does but that doesn't prove anything.
by Vath on Mon Jan 26, 04 2:26pm
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Guest_73328, you suck! (there is that short enough for you)
by Vath on Mon Jan 26, 04 2:32pm
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This is like a little chat.
73328: That really sucked. I feel sorry and will pray for you for as long as I live because you are my brother in Christ and I don't want to see you suffer in the fiery torments of Hell for all of eternity. HAHA
Hey I actually got a humorous answer from 73328 so lets stop makin' fun of him. And hey you don't have to rub it in you know.
by Vath on Mon Jan 26, 04 2:51pm
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Just how many registered "blue" Anonymous do we have here? First, he denied Jesus being the Son Of God. Then he professes that he's a Christian. That's the biggest contradiction I've ever read in my life! OK, let's say you don't believe in the bible. We'll go to the world of Science. Why is it that until now, non-believing Scientists still cannot prove their theories about the Big Bang and all those crap? Why are they still so puzzled that our Earth just happened to be spinning and rotating in perfect location and distance from our Solar System's sun for it to support life? Did you know that everything those scientists study in our vast Universe, they've always been shocked and amazed at the details of our Universe...implying that THERE HAS TO BE A DESIGNER OF ALL THESE! These wonders did not happen by accident...we have a CREATOR...whether you believe it or not.
Oh, I forgot to mention, since you're all asking for some proof. Jesus of Nazareth, Israel said that He will die but rise again on the third day. If you haven't been in Israel, His tomb is there, empty...and there are hundreds of books and records that can prove that He resurrected from the dead. Don't take my word for it, do your research, or go to Israel yourself. And since you guys are so smart, why don't you also show us that the Jesus we worship NEVER EXISTED. I CHALLENGE YOU!
Guest_d4955, obviously, you are just ignorant and don't know the facts because Jesus can be found in ALL encyclopedias. Aren't encyclopedias considered "outside the Gospels?" And why don't you go to your local library and look for historical books that says something about Jesus of Nazareth. Next time, please support your opinions with references because I can show you thousands of them, but they just won't fit in this little ballot. Though we can exchange emails to each other...I'm willing to show you how REAL my Saviour Jesus is. My email is stranger7800 at yahoo_dot_com. Gather your facts people before arguing with me. My Lord will help me show you the truth.
Yeah there are alot of Anonymous guys here. And do you notice how many things are repeated take my buddy Kendrijk for instance. He seems to keep on telling us how smart he is, he's only 14, and that a whole bunch of people are going to hell. He gives us Christians a bad name. To anyone who was offended by his comments: want his street address.
by Vath on Mon Jan 26, 04 9:07pm
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Guest_1c85e, I will not disapprove your argument, though I am not commending it either. You could be right, but that doesn't disprove that there is no God, does it? Let's say there's life in the other Galaxies out there. Does that tell us that our Solar's system's precisions are wrong? NO! It just adds another proof that there must a perfect God who created all these.
Prove to me that all these scientific precisions and perfect details can really happen by accident! That a Big Bang zillion years ago just happened to position all these heavenly bodies in "perfect accuracy" and that the cells that we humans have now just happen to evolve perfectly out of a single cell. I'm saying these because I'm trying to open your hardened hearts and minds. YOU WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANNA BELIEVE IN.
Also, I gave my email address in my recent comment. I still haven't seen a single non-believer who has the proofs that our Jesus NEVER existed. I am ready to reveal the truth to anyone who is willing to see it. God bless you all!
To stingray: If you would have read the previous comments which you did not, you would have seen that somebody said that Christians are stupid, have low IQs and whatsuch. I said to them that I had an IQ of 130. Well what the Hell! Ain't that a coincidence? So don't come in here shooting you rmouth off about something you have no knowledge of. And I am seriously going to kick your ass, Vath.
I will give you "some" Scientific Facts...
Scientists are beginning to discover the strange coincidence that all these physical constants are exactly what they have to be in order for all life to exist. In other words, the slightest deviation in any of these constants would prevent the existence of life anywhere in the universe:
1. PARTICLE MASS RATIOS. All the electrons and protons in the universe have an exact mass ratio--a proton is 1836 times more massive than an electron. If this ratio were slightly bigger or smaller, molecules could not form and life would be impossible.
2. STAR DISTANCE. If the distance between stars in the universe were slightly less, the gravitational pull of stars would be so great that planetary orbits would be upset, creating extreme temperature changes that would destroy life. If this distance were greater than it is, the heavy fragments thrown out by exploding stars would be so thinly dispersed that no planets could ever be formed.
3. KEY ELEMENTS. The three elements beryllium, carbon and oxygen have exact energy levels in their atomic nucleuses. Beryllium is so unstable that it slows down the fusion rate of stars. If it were just a bit more stable, these stars would explode and many of the elements necessary for life wouldn't be formed. If beryllium were even more unstable than it is now, star fusion would be slowed down to the point where element production beyond beryllium wouldn't occur at all. 4. CARBON. The energy level of the element carbon's nucleus has an exact relationship to both helium and beryllium. If this ratio changed even slightly up or down, there wouldn't be enough carbon in the universe for life to exist.
5. OXYGEN has exactly the right energy level in its nucleus to allow it to be produced from carbon in just the amount necessary for the existence of life on earth. If this energy level were greater or smaller, all carbon would be prevented from turning into oxygen, and life would not be possible.
QUESTION: What are the odds that each one of the physical constants in Phenomenon #1 was created by sheer chance in exactly the right way to serve as building blocks for life itself? ANSWER: > billion: 1 AGAINST (= "greater than a billion to 1 AGAINST")*...IN OTHER WORDS., IMPOSSIBLE CHANCE! What's my point? There has to be a PERFECT SUPERINTELLECT DESIGNER AND CREATOR of all these!
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Some more coincidences: 1. Gravity. The force of gravity is constant throughout the universe. If it were just a bit stronger, stars would be larger and burn too fast, which means that none of them could support life on surrounding planets. If gravity were slightly weaker, all stars would have less mass, and the elements necessary for the formation of planets wouldn't be created, also making life impossible.
2. The strong nuclear force holds together small particles in the nucleus of all atoms. If this force were slightly weaker, these nucleuses wouldn't hold together and hydrogen would be the only element in the universe. If stronger, hydrogen would be rare in the universe, and so would most of the elements necessary for life.
3. The weak nuclear force is necessary for radioactive decay, and if it were slightly less, helium would be rare in the universe--along with other elements necessary for life. If this weak force were stronger, the elements necessary for life would be trapped forever inside the cores of stars.
4. The electromagnetic force binds electrons to protons in all atoms. If this force were slightly larger or smaller, molecules couldn't form and life would be impossible. QUESTION: What are the odds that the universal force constants in Phenomenon # 2 could be created by sheer chance in exactly the right way to serve as building blocks for life itself? ANSWER: IMPOSSIBLE CHANCE! Again, my point is these unbelievable coincidences are just TOO GREAT TO DENY THAT THERE'S NO GOD! My friend, these are just a "few facts", we don't have enough space here to describe the God that I worship. May He be revealed to you all!
god lives in scotland and hes not happy with the rest of the world
I believe in a god, but not God. I know a lot of people will be offended when I say this, but I think the whole Christianity is a fairy tale. I don't believe in it; I do believe that being spiritual in some shape or form is important though. I do not have anything against anyone who believes in Christianity either; it's all a matter of opinion.
If your reading comprehension sucks so bad, you must not be that smart after all. I said dogmatism correlates negatively with IQ. Not that all Christians HAVE low IQ's. There's a difference. The difference is that as studies have shown, Christians and other religious people have a lower IQ ON AVERAGE than non-religious people. That means there are LESS intelligent religious people than non-religious. It means that the CHANCES of you having a high IQ decrease as your level of dogmatism increases. It does not mean that the world is split in two - over-130 folk are non-religious and under-130 are religious. That is ridiculous. There are shades of gray. Regardless, a higher percentage of intelligent people are non-religious, and a higher percentage of dummies ARE religious. That does not mean each individual case is so; it's an AVERAGE. If you're so smart, maybe you'd benefit from a statistics course at your local community college, so you can learn what "negative correlation" means.
What exactly does IQ have to do with this though? In the end you go to Hell and I live for eternity. And what the Hell are you talking about "HOLY ROLLERS"? Do you mean religious or just people who belive in God? Because they are not the same thing.
Isn't Kendrijk such a pain, like I said before anyone want his address,
well anyway lets slow down on the insults, I mean come on some of you guys are adults (I think)I mean leave the name calling to us younguns man. Oh yeah GOD EXISTS!!! GOD EXISTS!!! GOD EXISTS!!! HE EXISTS, DAMN GUYS, JUST ACCEPT IT!!! (in case you guys are wondering why I pionted out the adults, well they've lived longer than me and might come up with a good one to cmobat my GOD EXISTS thing, unlike some of us who love to repeat things, namely the guy who says we are all goin' to hell)
by Vath on Tue Jan 27, 04 5:13pm
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IQ has a lot to do with everything. Dumb people are more likely to be wrong. They're more likely to not see things clearly and to be fooled by bullshit arguments. Case closed.
Alright, lets get back to subject. I want you guys to appreciate our religion. Just a little, I don't care. Well some of you guys are Americans right. Well if the PURITANS and other RELIGIOUS groups hadn't had come here the U.S. would'nt had been founded now would it. And you guys would'nt be in front of your computer makin' fun of us would you? Wait did I just give non-americans another reason to hate religion?:
by Vath on Tue Jan 27, 04 5:46pm
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Oh yeah, jannine what did you mean by case closed, the I.Q. thing or the main ballot idea?
by Vath on Tue Jan 27, 04 8:19pm
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No, the IQ thing. Why would I assume anything about the existence of God? There's no conclusive evidence either way! I am agnostic.
Whether God exists or doesn't is not the issue. Plenty of geniuses believe in some sort of supreme being. Belief in a god is not the same as dogmatism. It's dogmatism that tends to run with low IQ's.
I presented the TRUTH, and so I rest my case. Like what I said before, what evidence do you still need to believe that God exists? Do you want Him to appear in front of you and tell you, "Hello, I'm God!". Even so, I am certain that you will still refuse to believe, because PROVING GOD'S EXISTENCE TO UNBELIEVERS IS LIKE PROVING A COLOR TO A COLOR-BLIND PERSON.
Me, I 'KNOW' that He exists not because I 'SAW' the proofs, but because He 'SHOWED' me the proofs, after I did extensive research.
You see my friends...your mindset is "SHOW ME THEN I'LL BELIEVE" but the truth is "BELIEVE THEN GOD WILL SHOW YOU".
I don't blame all of you who do not believe, I was once a hardcore atheist myself. But after finding out the truth, I just laugh at my old, blind self.
Since you are all highly intellectual, I have this one question to ask you: HOW DID MATTER GET INTELLIGENCE?
Here's another question to all SUPER-SMART non-believers out there:
HOW DID LIFE ORIGINATE?
And yet another one:
If we are so closely related to ape why do we have a different number of chromosomes than they do?
And if you believe in Evolution, then I'm hoping you could answer this one too:
What happened to all the so-called "Missing Links" between man and ape? Did they all die off without a trace?
How about this question, do you have an answer, you SMART ATHEISTS:
Why are apes in zoos only bear baby apes and not Neanderthal "ape-men"?
If ANYONE CAN ANSWER JUST ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS...THEN I WILL NO LONGER BELIEVE IN GOD...the one True God. (But I am so certain that nobody can answer any of these...and so I will just keep on worshiping Him)
Intelligence is in the quality and speed of the synapses; and the quality and number of live brain cells. Those things are made of organic compounds. Organic compounds originated in the primordial soup that was the young planet Earth. Elements were combining left and right in that hot soup, and it just so happened that one day two elements came together which proved to react and combine with other elements more easily. The amount of reactivity, which was caused by the unstable nature of the compound, caused a domino-effect multiplication pattern in the organic compound which multiplied naturally to form a reactive little bacteria which stratified into specialized organs in a way analogous to magnetic charge. Simple enough? OK. Still don't get it? Pick up a book and learn it yourself.
Apes in zoos do not bear ape-men because evolution into a new species does not happen in one generation, genius. It occurs one mutation at a time. One gene at a time, out of millions.
Missing links: we have only found some of them, such as Java man, Australopithecus, all sorts of Homo Erectus-type creatures. What happened to all the intermediate ones? Bones don't last forever, you know. Bury a skeleton in the earth in your back yard and see how long it takes before the bones themselves start to decompose. Only under *very* rare conditions is a skeleton preserved through the ages, and we are lucky to have found as many links as we have.
So, Stranger, it appears you picked the wrong person to justify your beliefs through. And the funny thing is I'm not even Atheist! I'm rightly agnostic.
Jannine...I know you can do more than that. You're not as smart as I thought you were. I'm sorry, your argument is so weak. ANSWER MY QUESTIONS, MISS JANNINE!
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So, why do you believe in the FOSSILS THAT DON'T EXIST? And I thought you are a very scientific person.
Oh, and we share, I believe, 98 or 99 percent of our genes in common with chimpanzees. An extra chromosome is gained because of a glitch. Just like Down Syndrome sufferers have an extra chromosome. In the case of apes-to-humans, the glitch proved to be beneficial.
You probably know these too:
Isn't it true that Heidelberg man was built from one jawbone claimed to be human? That Nebraska man was built from one tooth later found to be a pig's? That Piltdown man was built by one jawbone which was later revealed to be an ape's jaw? That there is no evidence to merit Peking man? That Neanderthal, New Guinea and Cro-Magnon are as human as any human today?
AM I NOT CORRECT, MISS JANNINE?
If I gave you the equation, 5 + x = 9, you can figure out the value of x, right? Well not necessarily you; I mean a person of average intelligence. The same way that the value of x can be solved for, missing links can be solved for too, to a pretty high degree of probable accuracy. So far, solving for x has given us 4, not God.
Those were hoaxes carried out by frustrated anthropologists whose careers were going to shit unless they made a new discovery. They did it to keep their careers alive. That *certainly* doesn't mean all anthropological discoveries have been hoaxes.
I'm sorry but no species is evolving into another species. Those moths stayed the same species but changed color phases like different colors of horses. When England became smoggy the dark moths were better camouflaged from birds. And considering those fruit flies, they were still fruit flies, weren't they? Where was the evolution? Never has one species evolved into another, and NEVER has science showed it.
YOU SEE MY FRIEND, YOU'RE TALKING TO A SCIENTIST HERE BUT WE HAVE A DIFFERENCE...I ALSO HAPPEN TO BELIEVE IN GOD, and by the way, His name is Jehovah.
The neanderthal man is indeed distinguishable from modern man. Who's misinforming you? Your Fundamentalist Christian church? lol I suggest you pick up a book and stop taking uninformed people's and websites' word for things.
LOL, you asked me for proof, I gave it to you, and you are ignoring it. Typical of a Christian, in my experience. When they ask for proof, they are really asking for validation of their own beliefs; they don't actually care to see the truth at all.
The only reason science cannot technically *prove* evolution is because for something to be considered *proven* in the scientific community, it has to be observed in action. Evolution is therefore something that can never be proven even if it'ss dead obvious, for the simple fact that evolution does not happen from one day to another, and a human being cannot live long enough to actually *see* evolution in action. We're just screwed because our life spans are too short to *prove* this one, but you know what? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and all the evidence points to the fact that it IS a duck, well then it's not a fucking zebra, now is it?
So far, your proofs are not scientific proofs, but merely your own opinions. And I need more than that. You've proven nothing whatsoever.
Hahahahaha! HOAXES?! I suppose I should show you the references, huh? You are just completely hardened by the secular world you're living in. What if I show you the books and references of all the things that I presented here? Can you show me some of yours? I'm just wasting my time here.
And don't offend me by calling yourself a scientist. You are not giving your point any validity by writing "MISS JANNINE" in all caps. You just sound frustrated.
I reckon that you believe in Charles Darwin, don't you? Why don't we talk about him? But I doubt that you even know all his teachings.
Yes you are wasting your time, because I haven't given you the validation of your own faith that you were looking for. I have given you proof indeed, and it's a lot more than the blind faith you practice which ignores all evidence, because evidence is detrimental to the existence of blind faith. You are wasting your time here, because I gave you what you asked me for and that is not what you wanted to hear. Goodbye.
Frustrated?! Oh no, I am just amused by how strong is your faith in the blind science that you believe in. So, are you capable of talking about Darwin and his stuff?
By the way my major is physical anthropology; I have studied these things; you only know what the preacher told you, plus how to type in caps. Peace out.
Goodbye? Oh no my friend, please don't leave. When I said I was wasting my time, I didn't say that I'm not willing to waste some more of my time, did I? Now come back here and let's talk about the Father of your Evolution.
Now that you're saying that you are a Scientist as well, I am very disappointed. That would've been very good for a high school straight-A student. But an Anthropologist?
But if you insist that you need to go, then GOODBYE! *in caps* =)
I suppose you want me to sit here and type you out a lesson on every issue in anthropology in one minute, things that have taken me, so far, two and a half years of college to learn. I gave you a nice concise overview of all the questions you asked. If anthropology fascinates you so much, why don't you go to college and major in it too, or at least pick up an "Introduction to Anthropology" textbook? The beginner-level ones are not so hard to understand, and will dispel your misconceptions quickly. If you want to hear what is known about the origins of the universe, you should pick up an Introduction to Astrophysics textbook instead. If biochemistry is what you wonder about, then pick up a Biochem or Biophysics book so you can find out about the origins of living matter on Earth. The knowledge is out there for you to learn, and you can't go on forever pretending there are no answers to these questions. By the way, living matter has been produced in a laboratory out of non-living matter by duplicating the conditions of the "primordial soup". Look at it this way: centuries ago, there was no "proof" that the earth was round. Did that mean it was flat? It certainly didn't. Even though religious authorities told us it was flat. Science makes new discoveries every day. Every discovery ever made has been courtesy of science, not religion. We don't have all the answers now. That doesn't mean the answers are not out there, it just means we haven't found them yet. And as it's always been, the answers will be found through science, not religion. Scientific discovery has always DISproved some religious notion, never proven it. As we become less ignorant, true science comes to light, dispelling mythology and wishful thinking. So we haven't proven this thing or that thing yet; that doesn't mean the Bible is correct on the matter, any more than the Earth was flat, because the Bible said so, before we discovered it is round. Discoveries take time and we don't have all the answers, but the answers always have been, and always will be, in science. Not superstition.
Since my friend Jannine did not satisfy me with her answers to my questios, are there any other non-believers out there who can answer these for me?
(repeating my previous questions)
1. HOW DID MATTER GET INTELLIGENCE?
Here's another question to all SUPER-SMART ATHEIST/AGNOSTICS out there:
2. HOW DID LIFE ORIGINATE?
And yet another one:
3. If we are so closely related to ape why do we have a different number of chromosomes than they do?
And if you believe in Evolution, then I'm hoping you could answer this one too:
4. What happened to all the so-called "Missing Links" between man and ape? Did they all die off without a trace?
You are totally giving out your opinions now. NEVER has life originated from non-life! And could you give me the Book, the chapter, and the verse in the Bible that stated that the Earth is flat?
I cannot believe how far you would go and tell more lies just to justify your thoughts. Rememeber, this site is visited by children too. And it would be very tragic if they believe in your "opinions".
Miss I-Know-It-All... could you give me your best explanation for the origin of life?
BMWs SUCK! yea I know it's off topic.
I agree Fastchevy. Chevies are better than the German BMW.
And by the way, I am not for Religion, as I mentioned before. I can now tell that you are not paying close attention to our discussion here. And regarding about your "living soup", that should have been in the HEADLINES of the world, it that were true. Where on Earth is this "laboratory" that you're talking about? I told you I'm a Scientist, and so I demand scientific proofs of your lies.
And I quote Revelations, Chapter 7, verse 1: "...the four corners of the Earth." Oh wait, lemme guess, it was a metaphor. Yeah, right. That's what they all say when there's something in the Bible that's been proven wrong. The church actually made belief in a round Earth a heresy, because of that verse! Until they were forced to admit it, that is, because there could no longer be any doubt. Listen, people, don't bother explaining anything to this person. He/she is not satisfied with truth at all, because it would disprove her comfy little world of illusions. The person obviously does not want to pick up any of the books that I've recommended, because he/she is not interested in actually *knowing* and is content with *believing*. Not much hope there.
"In 1953, Stanley L. Miller, a graduate student of Harold C. Urey, electrified the field of modern chemistry. Using a device to simulate the action of a lightning bolt, and heat to mimic geologic time, Miller demonstrated that a primordial soup of inorganic molecules could spontaneously produce amino acids and other possible precursor compounds for life."
"Sometime between the time the earth formed and the date of the earliest fossils discovered so faran interval of 1½ billion yearslife began. The chief raw materials for life were to be found in the atmosphere of the young earth. In order to break apart the simple gases of the atmosphere
energy was required. And energy abounded on the young earth. First there was heat, both boiling (moist) heat and baking (dry) heat. Water vapor spewed out of the primitive seas, cooled in the upper atmosphere, collected into clouds, fell back on the crust of the earth, and steamed up again. Violent rainstorms were accompanied by lightning, which provided electrical energy. The sun bombarded the earths surface with high-energy particles and ultraviolet light. Radioactive elements within the earth released particles into the atmosphere. These conditions can be simulated in the laboratory and scientists have now shown that under such conditions, organic molecules are produced."
In the 1950s, Stanley Miller conducted such a series of experiments
Oparin believed that there was a gradual evolution of organic molecules to greater and greater levels of complexity. He pictured the origins of life in an organic solution rich with carbon compounds leached from the earths crust, surrounded by an atmosphere of hydrogen, ammonia, and methane, and supplied with the solar energy of the sun. Eventually, these coacervates, (the complex droplets) would develop the power to grow by becoming
adapted for absorption and for the chemical transformation of the absorbed materials. The pre-requisites required for this hypothetical process were that, first, the primitive earth had to lack oxygen (the atmosphere had to be of a reducing nature, that is, donate electrons) otherwise it would destroy any newly formed organic molecules, secondly, that there needed to be an abundance of ultraviolet radiation to provide the energy necessary for the chemical transformations, and lastly, there must be an absence of life for life to develop, because a living organism with its perfected metabolisms would draw varied organic compounds into its sphere of influence.
J.B.S. Haldane and A.I. Oparin, despite being co-progenitors of this biogenesis paradigm, disagreed on the specific order of events in the origin of life. Oparin postulated that cells were created first, then enzymes, and then genes last. The first two steps logically follow one another. As the coacervate droplet increased in complexity and size, it would eventually close itself off from the rest of the organic solution and becomes a cell. Secondly, the random amalgamation of molecules trapped within the cell would be forced to produce the enzymes necessary to organized for metabolic activity and further growth.
And these things, as I previously stated, were duplicated in a laboratory.
"And God said, 'Let there be light!' And suddenly, a lightbulb lit up in Stranger7800's head, and he/she got a clue."
Jannine 69:69
Listen, It is true that the Bible uses phrases such as "the four corners of the earth" (Isa. 11:12; cf. Rev. 7:1) and "the sun also riseth, and the sun goeth down" (Eccl. 1:5), but, as Moises Silva notes, these do "not constitute an affirmation regarding the shape of the earth: rather, it belongs to a class of acceptable expression found in all languages." These are the same conventional, ordinary expressions we use today when we speak of the sun rising or setting, of morning or evening stars, falling stars, etc.
Why didn't you question me about all the other things that I put here? Because they're just that, acceptable expression found in all languages.
Your "flat" subject was actually put together by young-earth groups, a closed group who can only find support within their own people.
It seems these groups often propagate methods of propaganda instead of studying the detail of scripture and science. In their talk of "literal" translations they readily accept a six day creation, but are not consistent in that they do not accept verses that seem to suggest Earth is flat by the same reasoning. Their "literal" IGNORES context and HEBREW. When scholars and others talk of literal translation, they focus on the original texts and the meaning of the words in the context of the bible. Such an approach confirms that the creation story fits an old-earth view and that the Earth with "four corners" verse actually refers to "four quarters" which is the divisions of a globe or circle.
Yeah, my arse. That is hogwash and deep down inside, you know it.
And yes, she started to ridicule me...and I was prepared for that. I understand, and no worries, because NOTHING can make me give up on my God. You, my friend, is starting to quote the bible as literal, which time and time again, has stumped scholars. Don't forget that there were thousands and thousands of scholars throughout history that are still trying to give a scientific error in the bible. AND THEY FOUND NONE. All they found was 100% PROPHETIC ACCURACY.
If, in ancient times, those who could read the Bible in its original language - and understand the context - knew that the earth was round, then why wasn't the knowledge of the Earth's roundness passed down among its believers? Why would knowledge of the Earth's true nature deteriorate over the ages, to the point where it was so widely believed that the Earth was flat that to call it round would be heretic? Why wasn't it perpetuated among the lines of believers? Wouldn't it be such a widely thought-of question that the knowledge would be requisitely passed from father to son throughout time? Gimme a break. No one knew the Earth is round until after Galileo was found guilty of heresy, and sentenced, for it.
I can sense that you are becoming more and more irate as we went along. The absence of your love and compassion like a normal human being is starting to reveal itself, like most non-believers do. I think I better stop now before you threaten to kill me. But no regrets, because I am still hoping that one day, God will reveal Himself to you, the way He did to me when I was an Atheist. Have a pleasant evening, Jannine!
May God bless you...whether you believe in Him or not.
The "100% prophetic accuracy," as you call it, is only there AFTER you interpret a whole lot of biblical statements as "metaphorical" or "inaccurately translated". Statements which were taken literally since the beginning of time, until they were scientifically disproven and the Church, not wanting to make fools of themselves, changed their interpretation to "metaphorical".
Oh my "God". Now that you lost the argument you are turning on the Christian Pity Party? The "Don't worry, Jesus loves you anyways" crap? I really didn't expect it from you. You must not understand how silly it sounds to those "not of the faith". I thought we were having a semi-real discussion here until you said that. That's, like, last-resort statements for Christians to spout. I'll let you take it back, so you can save face...
lol
And you're right about that, and so as hundreds more prophecies that were fulfilled...why weren't they passed along though the generations? If I tell you that the world will one day unite to destroy Israel but God will protect His 'chosen people' supernaturally, will you believe? Of course not! Because this is the same just like that "flat thing" you were talking about. The thing that I just mentioned about Israel should have been a story BIG ENOUGH for the world to know, but only the believers know, because it's just that, a prophecy. But mark my word for it, as the Bible has been 100% accurate in its prophecies, this one will also happen.
I was just about to present to you a dozen prophecies which were written hundreds, even thousands of years before they happened...but I forgot, you would just ignore it anyhow. WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE HERE, DON'T YOU THINK? I think LCD should just delete all these comments because it's going nowhere. A Scientist Believer against an Anthropologist Agnostic...what a CLASH.
I never stated that the round-earth should've been known worldwide, *if* the Bible *did* indeed originally accept that the Earth was round. I merely stated that it should've been known among the believers. Yet it was not. It was never known by ANY of its believers that the earth was round. And the Bible is NOT 100% accurate; its true suggestions have been masked by the Church to cover up its inaccuracy. See Above Post.
Should I present her the fulfilled prophecies now? PLEASE VOTE!
And I promise, this will be awesome!
You can go ahead and tell me, as I've been posting factoid after factoid and you have not yet posted any factoids of your own, except your "Intelligent Design" post to another person, which I can also refute in my own little way. So go ahead, give me the factoids, and make sure they are irrefutable. I have a clear view untainted by religion or atheism, so I will not ignore facts like *some* do.
As I HAVE no religious beliefs, I only accept truth, in whatever form it comes in.
The Bible has over 2,000 prophecies including approximately 200 about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. Should I show her ALL of these? I can even show some in the original Greek and Hebrew.
Aren't the prophecies that actually happened considered truth? Probably not in your own perception.
Only show me the ones that have already happened. No hazy metaphors with multiple possible interpretations, please. And be forewarned. In the last two weeks I have been presented with "irrefutable" evidence of Islam, Hinduism AND Zoroastrianism. I am not sure who's right! lol
By the way, my name is Dennis, Masters in Biology, and also a father of one son. I know you never ask, and that you're not interested whatsoever in my personal information, but I think it would be good to formally introduce myself to you since we've been exchanging ideas here for about 2 hours now.
2 hours?!?!?!? WHAT?!?! hahaha...how pathetic huh. Don't you have a life? How about me?
No life at all, my boyfriend is watching TV and left me to my heated discussion.I have school at 9:30 in the morning tomorrow and I don't think I'll be sleeping tonight. Jannine, Associate's in Pre-Anthropology, pleased to meet you.
Before entering the Land of Israel the Children of Israel (as the Jews are sometimes called) were told that if they were obedient they would live in the land in peace and prosperity. If they were disobedient, however, "the LORD will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other" (Deuteronomy 28:64). Despite being scattered they would never be completely destroyed: " Though I make full end of all nations where I have scattered you, yet I will not make a complete end of you" Eventually the Jews were to be regathered and returned to Israel: "I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel" (Ezekiel 11:17). Ezekiel 37 is also interesting in this context.
I'm sure you know World History...you should know that this has happened to Israel, and Israel only.
We have little need to go into great detail to show how these prophecies of Israel's restoration have been most accurately fulfilled. The Zionist Movement was active among the dispersed Jews in many countries in the late 19th century. The establishment of Palestine as a National Home for the Jews in 1917 led to a rapid increase in their numbers in the Land. When this provoked the hostility of the Arabs, the Jews fought off an attempt to suppress them in 1948, and established their own Jewish State. This was enlarged in 1967 after a second attempt in the Six Day War; as a result Israel recovered much of their ancient historical territory, and Jerusalem became the capital of their State under their own rule, for the first time in 2500 years. In short, the emergence of an independent Jewish State in the Middle East has been a most unexpected development. Less that 100 years ago no political observers would have thought it possible. COINCIDENCE? Yeah, whatever! I say God-inspired!
Was that written before, or after the scattering, and we both know the "Children of Israel" have 1) Not all returned to Israel, and 2) only tried to do so BECAUSE in the bible it says they're supposed to. That is not a prophesy, that is suggestibility. They are only doing what the Bible told them they should do. They're not doing it by coincidence. If I tell my boyfriend, "You will now get me a cup of water," and he does it, I can hardly call that a prophesy. So the only question that remains is whether the first part predicted the scattering, or was written AFTER the fact, in which case it would be historical document.
You obviously have no historical knowledge of the Bible. The Book of Deuteronomy was written 1500 B.C. while Ezekiel was around 630 B.C.
Now, do the Math!
Great, but when did they scatter.
Prophecies are predictions. Did I have to clarify that?
When did they scatter, Dennis...
la-dee-dah ta-da, lalala...
Israel was scattered when the Romans, led by Titus, laid seige to Jerusalem in 67-70 AD, King Herod Agrippa II, and his kinsmen, the Edomites (Idumeans), no longer called themselves by their name. They have been known as the Jews, since.
And I know, that will not amaze you in any way.
And their gathering and having a state of their own, is written on my comment above.
Give me one State, or Country, that has the same exact history as this one prophecied in the Bible, with the same exact fulfillment of it. Go through your world history text books and let me know tomorrow if you find one. I'm gonna get some sleep now, have to work later. And by the way, HOW DID MATTER GET INTELLIGENCE?
Goodnight Jannine!
The tribes of Israel "scattered" before that. They were decentralized long before the birth of jesus, if memory serves me correctly.
Don't go to sleep yet, lemme pull something up on the nature of intelligence before you nod off.
Since I know nothing at all about neural development, how's about we both read this book - The Cognitive Animal: Empirical and Theoretical Perspectives on Animal Cognition by Marc Bekoff (Editor), et al
also Origins of Intelligence: The Evolution of Cognitive Development in Monkeys, Apes, and Humans
by Sue Taylor Parker, Michael L. McKinney
guess he left
Ok, I will read that book, only if you promise to read the New Testament of the Bible...DEAL?
(LOL...I know she'd slap me now)
Do you believe that one fat ugly Rush Limbo killed his wife and ate her remnants up in order to lose weight? You don't? I do. So you're asking me to prove it. And I say, Surely, she's not around, therefore, I'm right. That's an example of Christian logic. And if you say, I'm wrong, and she's just divorced that fat moron, then I will explain to you how exactly you'll be burning in hell, seed of satan.
The thing is, like I said before, "irrefutable" evidence exists for ALL world religions, and for ME to call them irrefutable, they must be pretty good. But the question is, can they ALL be right? Existence of a supreme being, there's no point in pondering that, because there's no way to know, really. Now RELIGION, that's a different matter. People try to prove religion through prophetic fulfillment, miracles, and lack of a better explanation than theirs. And if I take it all as proof, then I'm forced to be a follower of ALL religions worldwide, most of which contradict each other in some way... impossible feat. I was honestly more convinced of the Muslim and Zoroastrian arguments that I heard five and eleven days ago, respectively. How can I reconcile this? Especially if it all sounds hokey? Especially if I already know, and have already stated, the origins of life on Earth? Better yet, to paraphrase someone I heard about a month ago: Eternity is a concept man cannot grasp. But either Matter has existed forever, or the god that created it has existed forever. I find it much easier to believe in the permanence of matter and the laws that govern it, something we can see, something we can obviously tell exists, than in the permanence of a supernatural god and the characteristics that define him, something we have not a shred of evidence to even claim exists. There must be a starting point, so rather than God, it might as well be matter itself!
Yes!
I'm still looking for answers to my questions...can ANY non-believer out there give me his/her best explanation of the (1) ORIGIN OF LIFE; (2) HOW MATTER GOT INTELLIGENCE; and (3) Regarding the BIG BANG, don't explosions ONLY destroy & demolish? HOW COULD AN EXPLOSION BILLIONS OF YEARS AGO CREATE A UNIVERSE SO ORDERLY?
I just can't figure it out how you can't put your faith in a Creator if time and time again, you've always failed to answer these questions.
Is that your BEST explanation of the Big Bang? And you call that scientific? Could you please sroll up and read about the scientific constants that I mentioned before. Does your 'theory' prove any of those? And the question about Seth...this will be a long one...so hang in there and I'll post them here. LOL! I'm sorry, I can't stop laughing!
I havent seen him, havent seen no miracles, there for no. I thinked religion suk, bcause of them we have been in war for ever, ppl r manupulated, tortured...
And stop telling me to grab a book and read. I have a Masters In Biology, for God's sake! LOL! Sorry, I really can't stop laughing! You've given me something to laugh about all month. LOL!
What lady C said. God would not let us suffer,
by x__ on Wed Jan 28, 04 11:05am
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(and we're all going the same place. I'm not gonan read all this but someone up there implied there's a Hell but that's where we are now, we need to be good right now, be happy, fucking share toys, whatever)
by x__ on Wed Jan 28, 04 11:07am
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Don't you dare ask those questions if you can't even explain to yourself where you came from.
Regarding Seth...
In 1 Chron. 26:24 we read that Shebuel, son of Gershom, son of Moses was ruler of the treasuries; and again in I Chron. 23:15-16 we find that the sons of Moses were Gershom and Eliezar. Of the sons of Gershom, Shebuel was chief. It is absurd to suppose that the grandson of Moses could be living in the reign of David, or that the author of Chronicles was so ignorant as to believe it. Obviously this is a generation or so removed!
Ezra 8:1, 2. Here if no abridgement of the genealogy is allowed, we have a great-grandson and a grandson of Aaron and a son of David coming up with Ezra from Babylon after the captivity.
In the primaeval genealogy we have this particular: The letter of the record of Genesis 5:3 if we were dependent upon it alone, might naturally lead us to infer that Seth was Adam's first child. But we know from chap. 4 that he had already had two sons, Cain and Abel, and from, 4:17 that HE HAD A DAUGHTER, and from 4:14 that he HAD SEVERAL SONS AND DAUGHTERS whose families had swollen to a considerable number before Adam's one-hundred thirtieth year in which Seth was born. Yet of all this, taken at face value, the genealogy gives us no inkling. It is clear that the writer has in mind only to record that name which was significant for the genealogical record, the patriarch of the family history.
DON'T EVER ASK ME ABOUT THE BIBLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT! In the same way that you suggested to me, why don't you do your own research about "MY GOOD BOOK"?
For all you nonbelievers:
Why don't you believe? That's the one question. You think it's not "cool" that you have some faith in someone other than yourself. You are too selfish to even acknowledge that there is a God. And why wouldn't there be? You can't see him so he doesn't exist. You have to see to believe. I will see later but for now I believe. You spend all your time hating God that you MUST believe! All this energy you are wasting trying to tell us that we are stupid must come from somewhere. So you've got to believe in something. Listen to yourselves: HE doesn't exist, and HE is a figment of your imagination. If He didn't exist, then you wouldn't be calling Him HE. If you actually read the Bible then you would be swayed. And some of you are going to say :I've read it and it this and it that. The Bible speaks in metaphores and stuff so it's not the easiest thing to understand. Just read Revelation. Read that and understand it. It talks about the blooming deserts, which are happening, the false peace, which is happening, the hearts of men will be hardened, WHICH IS HAPPENING!!!! the things it says are already happening. We are in the middle of Revelation. And I know somebody is going to post a followup on this trying to ask me some question to get me to question my own faith, but being as I am correct, I don't give a damn. May God bless you all, Amen.
By the way, that was Me, Kendrijk
Atheos, I can now confirmed that you are a FOOL. Where on Earth did you get the idea that I was agreeing with your statement? Read my comment over and over for the rest of the day, then let me know if you get my point. No more responses for someone who doesn't even understand a plain and simple sentence.
And you are just like me former friend Jannine (see above) who repeatedly posted something that was cut & pasted on here, not knowing that some characters might appear to be "invalid". WHERE THE HELL IN YOUR KEYBOARD CAN YOU FIND THESE CHARACTERS? "Â", "Â"
If I may ask you now, my fellow humans, would you believe in somebody who doesn't even have the ability to prove something in his/her own intellect?
And Dave, will you let me see your Heavenly Mansion? =)
{FYI} This Anonymous^ above^ me is myself.
And when did I say that somebody's gonna burn in Hell for eternity? Though that's genuinely what's going to happen if you refuse to believe in God, and in the One whom He sent on Earth to redeem mankind, His Son Jesus Christ. Again, I could care less if you believe or not, all I care about is to carry out my mission to present the TRUTH.
THIS WILL BE MY FINAL MESSAGE AS I HAVE DONE WHAT A BELIEVER MUST DO. Amen? Amen!!!
-Dennis A., DMSc, UCLA, Los Angeles
Face it stranger7800, jannine has you beat.
then God made Hell. Dear God..
by x__ on Wed Jan 28, 04 7:54pm
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My cutting and pasting the two articles about the duplication of biogenesis in a laboratory does not discredit my argument. I cut and pasted those articles from a scientific journal so you would see I wasn't making it up, like you implied. I told you the origins of life on Earth had been simulated in a laboratory; you did not believe me, so I was obliged to cut and paste articles on it so you would see I'm not full of shit. Note the quotation marks on the articles. I thought it was obvious that I wazsn't trying to plagiarize the articles, merely quote them for reference. If it wasn't clear, well then now you know. I always give credit where it's due. Don't you dare call me a thought-thief.
Besides, what kind of master's degree in biology were you awarded, that didn't even teach you about the biogenesis experiment? Even *I* know about it (and apparently other non-master's-in-biology posters here)! Were you absent the day they taught it? Besides, you broke your promise. In our original conversation you told me that if I could prove to you any ONE of the things you asked, you would no longer believe in God. I proved biogenesis. Time to keep your end of the bargain.
Leave it to a Christian to try to discredit your argument with something pointless.
Call me a liar, say you're scared I'm going to beat you, call me a plagiarist, cold, incompetent, blind, a liar yet again; it seems you rely on insults to validate your point. But I think it's OBVIOUS who's got whom beat here. I agree with the other poster; you should sue your university, because they ripped you off. What's your alma mater, Pepito Rodriguez University? lol
Believe it or not, I am God. I shall strike all you bastards down with lighting. So watch out, next time when you walk out in the opening... I be waiting.
There is no way of knowing, only believing. The two things are completely different. Unless of course the Deity has visited you personally, and you saw, heard, smelled, tasted or touched Him/Her/It. There is truly no way to know. The day God pops up at my front door, this argument will be put to rest.
You can believe in a deity all you want, but don't come here telling me science is wrong and a holy scripture is right. Was God there in the beginning? We don't know, even if you *claim* you know for sure. But science is not second to mythology, that's for sure!
EXACTLY, YOU CANNOT SENSE A SUPERNATURAL BEING WITH YOUR SENSES, SO THEREFORE THERE IS NO WAY TO PROVE ITS EXISTENCE! Are you dense? This is what I've been trying to tell you! by the way, this discussion has nothing to do with "neutering darkies," so if you want to bring that up, go to my eugenics poll. Otherwise stay on the subject.
BTW, your "non-physical essence" is not objective reality and cannot be used as proof of anything. Otherwise we'd have schizophrenics running around citing evidence for an invisible frog-man living in their spleens.
I really don't care if you *think* you're right, because you aren't. Your so-called "non-physical essence", in other words what you claim to perceive God with, is the same essence that tells crazy people that a ceramic vase in their bathroom is God Himself. In other words, it's called your imagination.
Everything you said is an assumption, and you have taken a *lot* of poetic license there. Nevertheless, you have given one of | |
