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COMMENTS:
I was stunned at her initial 'argument' that pressing for a cease- fire was mutually exclusive to 'achieving a sustainable peace.' It seemed obvious to me that what was really going on was that they believed they had teh upper hand and would take the opportunity to bash Hezbollah.
When that turns out not to be so easy, then they backtrack.
Weasels.
I think it is pretty safe to say that the killings in Qana further pushed the Bush Administration towards calling for a cease-fire.I only hope Israel does not stop her campaigne prematurely and allow Hezbollah to rise from the ashes.
^So the bodies of those children mean nothing to you?
Corrupt: The idea that a military pounding is going to actually have a serious effect on paramilitary groups that can blend into civilian populations is a pipe dream. The only result will be devastating the civilians and raising sympathy for the paramilitary groups.
thing that are coming out of our "leader's" mouth these days have been bewildering. I wouldn't want to be the speechwriter for these guys....
okay team, we gotta make the argument that stopping the war is NOT good for peace. how can we make this argument, any ideas? anyone? please?
by LCD on Mon Jul 31, 06 10:19am
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Question? How many of the 30 children fired rockets into Israel?
Is there no lengths the US administration go to, to extend their so called 'War on Terror'?
As a Brit I am constantly shamed by Tony Blair and his unconditional support of this folly.
As both of them are ardent Christians, do they not know that the actions they take will have repurcussions in the afterlife?
Or are they like many Christians, they spout the words, but have no actual belef in them?
Ofcourse I am horrified by the lost of innocent children Chomsky but war is a disguishing affair and these things happen.If Israel stops her war against Hezbollah short and they are still able to launch rockets at Israel then this whole conflict would have been for nothing.
Question? How many of the 30 children fired rockets into Israel?
by Steelhamster on Jul 31, 2006 10:20am
None of course.
But before that, how many of the 50+ innocent Israeli citizens (including kids), and the 700+ injured and mamed Israeli citizens deserved being hit by intentionally indiscriminate launched Hezbollah rockets? You know, the once being launched from the backyards and rooftops of Lebonese civilian neighborhoods?
None deserved it, so what you are saying is that two wrongs make a right?
The ratio of Lebanese to Israeli dead is something like 10:1, if not higher.
The Israeli army have superior firepower and a trained army.
Its like firearms versus bows and arrows.
Remember. Hezbollah's cowardly act of cutting the border fence, entering Israeli territory, ambushing Israeli soldiers, killing eight of them and kidnaping two.
If the people of Lebanon don't like violence they should demand Hezbollah stop their attacks on Israel, and return the kidnaped soldiers. The only thing we hear from them is that they can't take what they wish upon Israel.
No Israeli citizen is happy about Lebanese children dying in a tragic war incident, however how many times have we seen the Arabs call the deaths of innocent Israelis, due to terror attacks, "a great victory", and a cause for celebration? Too many.
The kidnap was one set of soldiers on another set, so it should be soldiers not civilians that should be dying.
I understand you total anti-arab stance is based on prejudice, but look beyond the sabre rattling and demand some justice for all innocent civilians and not just the ones you approve of.
" okay team, we gotta make the argument that stopping the war is NOT good for peace. how can we make this argument, any ideas? anyone? please? "
What about - stopping the war now, in a state where Hezbollah can initiate future provocations against Israel and plunge the region again to war state, but this time, with nuclear Iran.
"The kidnap was one set of soldiers on another set, so it should be soldiers not civilians that should be dying."
And that's exactly why Israel warned civilians not to be in the territories in which it'll attack the hezbollah "soldiers".
" How many of the 30 children fired rockets into Israel?"
How many of these children did Israel sought to kill?
" Is there no lengths the US administration go to, to extend their so called 'War on Terror'? "
To the extent the title implies - war. Wars aren't stopped because of some mistakes, and not even because of a lot of mistakes, and civilian casualities. NATO continued the bombing campaign of Serbia and Kosovo, even though 2000 innocent civilians died. Nor did the hundreds of thousands of Axis casualities stopped WWII.
And I'm sure that Al Qaeda didn't think of stopping its war against the US after 3000 American civilians lost their lives.
" The idea that a military pounding is going to actually have a serious effect on paramilitary groups that can blend into civilian populations is a pipe dream. The only result will be devastating the civilians and raising sympathy for the paramilitary groups. "
People are trying to believe that, but the reality makes it almost impossible, as the suicide bombing rates in israel dramatically dropped AFTER Israel's intense opertaions in the west bank in 2002, and as rockets don't fall on Haifa anymore. Terror can't be won if the world won't allow successful operations against it to consolidate the victory. Now is the time for the international community to pressure the Lebanese government to pick the task of disarming Hezbollah, now that it has been dramatically weakened in south Lebanon, so when Israel completes its current move, and makes Hezbollah withdraw completely from southern Lebanon, the Lebanese army will take over these territories. But instead, the impotents in Lebanon's government feel they're "on the wave" and will exploit the international points that their children blood earned them. Now, they're not offering any of this for cease fire. They should know that the world will never allow a situation of terrorist organization operating from within a state's territories, and it's the state's responsibility to ensure that.
by Yosi on Mon Jul 31, 06 12:08pm
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So you are saying that any atrocity is justified on either side, if it is war?
Yosi, your attitude is going to be the death of Israel, noone supports your genocide in Lebanon apart from the usual suspects.
How ironic, the Jews were systematically eliminated in WWII and instead of rising to greatness, they are aping the methods of their oppresoors.
Chris Link
July 30, 2006 12:00am
The images obtained exclusively by the Sunday Herald Sun show Hezbollah using high density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy calibre weapons. Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly disappear the militants carrying automatic assault rifles and ride in on trucks mounted with cannon.
The photographs from the Christian area of Wadi Chahrour in the east of Beirut were taken by a visiting journalist and smuggled out by a friend.
They emerged as:
US President George Bush called for an international force to be sent to Lebanon.
ISRAEL called up another 30,000 reserve troops.
THE UN's humanitarian chief Jan Egeland called for a three day truce to evacuate civilians and transport food and water into cut off areas.
US SECRETARY of State Condoleezza Rice returned to the Middle East to push a UN resolution aimed at ending the 18-day war and:
A PALESTINIAN militant group said it had kidnapped killed and burned an Israeli settler in the West Bank.
The images include one of a group of men and youths preparing to fire an anti-aircraft gun metres from an apartment block with sheets hanging out on a balcony to dry.
Others show a militant with AK47 rifle guarding no go zones after Israeli blitzes.
Another depicts the remnants of a Hezbollah Katyusha rocket in the middle of a residential block blown up in an Israeli air attack.
The Melbourne man who smuggled the shots out of Beirut and did not wish to be named said he was less than 400m from the block when it was obliterated.
"Hezbollah came in to launch their rockets then within minutes the area was blasted by Israeli jets," he said.
"Until the Hezbollah fighters arrived it had not been touched by the Israelis. Then it was totally devastated.
"It was carnage. Two innocent people died in that incident but it was so lucky it was not more."
The release of the images comes as Hezbollah faces criticism for allegedly using innocent civilians as "human shields".
Mr Egeland blasted Hezbollah as "cowards" for operating among civilians.
"When I was in Lebanon in the Hezbollah heartland I said Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending in among women and children" he said.
*Can't post the link so here's the article.
Preach Cranky, Preach!
Condi sold her soul.
It did the impossible- forced him to realize the value of human life. Write the time down, kids. It'll *never happen again*.
funny that the lebanese are whining about civilian deaths when their unguided missiles are specifically hoped for to kill civillians in Israel.
The American Left has never been that far from supporting genetic cleansing.
that is why I am always surprised that so many secular JoOOOs are leftists.
We don't even know if Israel is responsible for the demolished building, people assume they are. But we can also equally and fairly assume that Hezbollah blew the building down itself. This is the type of organization they are, and they very crafty.
^If that's true, then why has Israel already apologized for it?
" So you are saying that any atrocity is justified on either side, if it is war? "
Any atrocity? That's what you got from my comment? I justified a nation's right to target the enemy's positions, infrastructure etc. even if they're located in populated area, and will cause some collateral damage.
" How ironic, the Jews were systematically eliminated in WWII and instead of rising to greatness, they are aping the methods of their oppresoors. "
Meanwhile Israel's actions don't reach the knees of the atrocities the ALLIES performed among the Axis civilian population. There is a huge gap even between that and the Nazi atrocities, so untill more than hundreds of thousands of Lebanese are killed in airstrikes - Israel is just as moral as the Allies have been.
" If that's true, then why has Israel already apologized for it?"
The incident is under investigation, but the details already released in that Israel has bombed the building, 7 hours before it collapsed, possibly because of IDF airforce unexploded bomb dropped there.
by Yosi on Tue Aug 01, 06 11:54am
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JERUSALEM, July 30 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert expressed "deep sorrow" over the bombing of the southern Lebanese village of Qana on Sunday that killed at least 40 civilians, including 23 children, political sources said.
Olmert also ordered that humanitarian aid be allowed to reach the village.
"I would like to express my deep sorrow at the death of innocent civilians," the sources quoted Olmert as telling cabinet ministers.
"Nothing is more alien to our spirit, further from our thoughts, or more contrary to our interests, than hurting innocents."
If that's true, then why has Israel already apologized for it?
by cranky
I believe they said they are sorry for the deaths but didn't take responsibility for the direct cause of their deaths. That lies with Hezbollah. Besides we now know that the death toll was an exaggerated lie by twofold.
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