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Voted : I'd condemn them without exception
Nope. I don't "excuse" Americans or Hezbolla doing this. I also don't recall seeing anyone "excusing" anti-US forces for this action.
How much ordinary support/defense for our brave American soldiers in Iraq - or elsewhere, for that matter - is there...on this site?
In the house to house warfare the Marines use in Iraq to clear neighborhoods of insurgents, they do enter buildings full of civilians, and, in effect, use them as defacto shields. As for the alleged motive, the ballotmaker simply added that to bias the ballot, it's nothing but a strawman.
In any case, no one on this site, that I've seen, has criticized the Marines for doing so.
"And for the record, I would condemn them if they did this intentionally, as I suspect most other users who share my politics would."
I find that doubtful,
Firstly, it is unlikely that anyone would admit to doing it, and;
Secondly, few who share the ballotmakers ultra-rightwing politics have anything negative to say about the individuals who, in several incidents, have engaged in, or allegedly engaged in, the murder of Iraqi civilians, and;
Thirdly, I've yet to see this ballotmaker ever condemn anything done by an individual with which the ballotmaker positively identifies. Why would he start now, at this late date?
Voted : I'd condemn them without exception
The killing of innocents is wrong no matter who does it,however people seem to equate intentionally killing civilians like Hezbollah does and accidentially killing civilians.Anybody who intentionally kills an innocent person is by definition a murderer and should not be supported.
dazz: Many of us believe the war is wrong. Period. Don't try to conflate "perceptions of the troops" with the war illegitimacy. That is just hiding behind the soldiers.
Cath: everytime a story comes out about insurgents, terrorists, freedom fighters, etc intentionally hiding among civilians to either make the US look bad or to avoid being attacked people always respond with "well, that's wrong, I guess, BUT what did you expect, they . . . " and then they offer a number of excuses as to why that isn't such a bad thing afterall, and we should really blame ourselves.
I doubt if US marines were doing the same thing they'd get a 'well, that's wrong, but . . ." followed by excuses.
When you condemn something then follow it with a "but" it isn't really a condemnation at all.
'Many of us believe the war is wrong. Period. Don't try to conflate "perceptions of the troops" with the war illegitimacy. That is just hiding behind the soldiers'
But you must admit that many who oppose the war do also attack the troops. Not all or most, but these people certainly exist.
And I've seen a lot more ballots attacking the US military for being incomptent, or intentionally murdering children, then I have seen ballots praising them.
Voted : I'd condemn them without exception
but WHOOPS I slipped and fell back into my pigeon hole :p
by Jyl on Wed Aug 02, 06 10:44am
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That would be a chicken-shitish move..
if they were armed with knives and they were fighting off iraqis with automatic weapons, I am sure some of them would run into buildings with women and children, not that I would defend the actions but I would understand it.
I believe in fair fight. Let them fight hand to hand combat without any weapons.
the one who wins the all out slapfight should be declared the victor.
by LCD on Wed Aug 02, 06 11:59am
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If they were to do that they wouldn't deserve a defense. I see your point though. don't get to worked up over the moral equivalancy arguments that come from the left.
It would be okay if they were fighting for Israel, because Israel has the right to defend itself.
Voted : I'd condemn them without exception
cranky- Hezbollah DID start the conflict with Israel by crossing the border, didn't they? I personally lean toward pacifism and I condemn both sides. But I am more weary of violence that is provocative and aggressive than ones that are self-defense.
I disagree personally with the 'Just War' Doctrine, as I am a pacifist. Israel has used its claim to self-defense, and I think that their claim to initally getting involved was self-defense, even though I personally do not support the doctrine.
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